In the hospital

[ssoyegun]

I'd like to hear from people that aren't "juice heads" on the subject. scrum, turbo, moochie, and the others, thoughts? should i stay on trt levels or totally stop?

I'd stay on trt levels. I've been on trt levels last year, then upped the ante... to me and from my Dr, they are harmless levels. May consider short pct, then trt levels. I'm Def no expert. Just my thoughts.


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[Chadd77]

B, when you say trt levels what dose are you thinking?

[Bouncer]

B, when you say trt levels what dose are you thinking?

like 250mgs test and 250mgs deca every 7 days. deca isn't really part of trt i know but it's got proven benefits in terms of bone and joint repair so my thinking is that it wont hurt.

[chuckz28]

I'd take test just high enough to not need any adex and deca even less than that if at all. If that means only 150 a week than so be it. But that's just me.

Coming off completely and trying to pct could be bad too. You haven't had any natural production for so many years that you would probably take a year to recover if it's even possible at this point. Pct would have to be heavy and long.

[rado]

Anyone that comes off and considering he is still young, recovers lol


I was off for 2.5yrs and I recovered well, it did take near 11 monhts, but I recovered.

If anything, taper off to eventually be clean.

[Keiser]

Can't argue with that brother. Your not wrong. My only concern would be that since I'm already a bit mentally down from going through all of this, to drop my hormone levels down to nothing will add yet one more mental hardship to deal with. I've been on so long you know I'll crash real hard and having super low hormone levels will slow recovery as well. I was thinking more along the lines of hrt rather than complete crash.

Now that you're in Cali I'd go off gear and then go to a doc and get a prescription of bio-identical testosterone. I still don't trust the shit you guys get through the boards or whever it comes from (China). With your liver values so fucked up I'm not convinced that dbol you had was pure. Your liver values were so bad. Who knows where this shit comes from.

With the bio-identical test, it will match what your body produces and you'll respond in a more positive way to it. Physically and mentally. I'm on it right now as we speak. Two rubs of the cream to the forearms twice per day. 120mg per dose. My levels are at about 750 right now and doc says that he wants them at 900 but I feel fine at 750. My doc is awesome, very progressive. He believe that having too low of test is more detrimental than having high test.

Then you can spend time working on the mental issues with not being huge. Just put Magic Mike on repeat and shoot for Channing Tatum's body. No woman would turn you down.

[Bouncer]

Now that you're in Cali I'd go off gear and then go to a doc and get a prescription of bio-identical testosterone. I still don't trust the shit you guys get through the boards or whever it comes from (China). With your liver values so fucked up I'm not convinced that dbol you had was pure. Your liver values were so bad. Who knows where this shit comes from.

With the bio-identical test, it will match what your body produces and you'll respond in a more positive way to it. Physically and mentally.

Then you can spend time working on the mental issues with not being huge. Just put Magic Mike on repeat and shoot for Channing Tatum's body. No woman would turn you down.

You do realize that 17-aa drugs (dbol) are hard on the liver right? I was using 2 for a period. Drol and dbol. Came off both and my liver levels were back to normal this past weekend when I got them retested.

[Keiser]

You do realize that 17-aa drugs (dbol) are hard on the liver right? I was using 2 for a period. Drol and dbol. Came off both and my liver levels were back to normal this past weekend when I got them retested.

Yeah I know. I've taken Halo and Anavar in my day, but never had values anywhere close to that. I'd be concerned that there was more crap in that dbol you had. Do you know where it came from? Any lead or heavy metals in the powder used from the Chinese factory where it was manufactured?

[Bouncer]

While I can't argue that any drug made from China may be contaminated you gotta remember my test and deca also came from the same place and I haven't come off those yet my blood work has gone back to perfect numbers. I just think 2 17-aa's especially adrol for a period will do that to liver values.

[Bouncer]

Gotta tell you guys valium so far has been a wonder drug in that it allows me to actually rest and recover instead of feeling like I have ants in my pants. It chills me the fuck out something I have a huge problem with. The muscle spasms in my back are improved a great deal. I'm finding valium to be more beneficial to me than the pain killers like Norco or tramadol.

[Mr I]

Lol valium is diazepam bro, same as I was in


Glad they rounds what seems to be the problem
Take your time now

[Keiser]

Gotta tell you guys valium so far has been a wonder drug in that it allows me to actually rest and recover instead of feeling like I have ants in my pants. It chills me the fuck out something I have a huge problem with. The muscle spasms in my back are improved a great deal. I'm finding valium to be more beneficial to me than the pain killers like Norco or tramadol.

OK now that we are over our lecturing you on getting hooked on Oxy, be careful and don't get hooked on Benzos....

But, I know that feeling. Xanax chills me out and makes me feel more a peace than anything I've ever taken.

[Mr I]

Just relax B

I took diazepam for 6 months and came off fine. For now you need relaxation

[Bouncer]

Thanks for the warnings and the support guys. I have no intention in abusing any of this shit and my only goal is to get back to 100 while not forgetting the lessons learned during the process.

[redback]

I wouldn't do TRT I would totally stop. Just need to be mentally strong enough to do it.