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Are you leaving then? Surely if your genuine things ae so bad as you say you will up and leaveOriginally posted by Scrumhalf View PostWell, looks like the white guys in this country have spoken. They want to have a racist, xenophobic, misogynist who sold them a bill of goods, in power. As a person of color, I guess I have to think about how this makes me feel in America.
Good luck fellas, we are all going to need it. Dow is already down below 9/11 levels. Just watch as Trump drives the deficits sky high and do his supply side economics that every 1 percenter will take laughing to the bank. If any working class white guy things their lot is going to be better with Trump, they are going to be even more bitter in 4 years. And anyone who needs medical assistance or support of any kind, well heaven help your souls.
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I have the ability to move anywhere I want. I could probably make a phone call tomorrow and get a job in Europe or Asia or Canada. But I would rather work here. I don't think things will be dramatically different for me personally. I have a well paying job, insurance through work, etc. Realistically, the only thing I have to be concerned about is some guy taking a shot at me because I am a person of color. Which, considering I am in a very liberal part of the country, is rather unlikely.Originally posted by Mr I View PostAre you leaving then? Surely if your genuine things ae so bad as you say you will up and leave
But the situation is not so easy for a lot of people. I am afraid this is open season on Muslims and Hispanic immigrants. Trump has relentlessly courted the racists, the extremists on the extreme right. The KKK has endorsed him and he has been ambivalent in rejecting them. He has come out strongly against blacks, hispanics, muslims, with no subtlety whatsoever, painting a broad brush to create his own flawed narrative and not recognizing legitimate grievances of these communities. If I was one of them, I would be very nervous. Very nervous indeed.
Make no mistake - what America has seen today is what Van Jones called a whitelash. It is white America saying in no uncertain terms that it does not like the changing demographics of the country. Where this will go, I don't know. But anyone who says this is just about economics is either lying or hopelessly disconnected with the experiences of people with color in this country.
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Interesting scrim. As an outsider and somebody who voted brexit, I can tell you in so far as my vote, it was not racism, it was about competent self governance.
My take on the US is that people are so disenchanted with the establishment that they are voting against it.
It's always a risky situation when that happens because they vote for anyone with strength that represents a perceived alternative.
It's now down to who he picks in his administration and the senate
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It is interesting (and I am not talking about you), people don't think they are racist but their actions belie their beliefs. The affliction is really insidious.Originally posted by Mr I View PostInteresting scrim. As an outsider and somebody who voted brexit, I can tell you in so far as my vote, it was not racism, it was about competent self governance.
My take on the US is that people are so disenchanted with the establishment that they are voting against it.
It's always a risky situation when that happens because they vote for anyone with strength that represents a perceived alternative.
It's now down to who he picks in his administration and the senate
Note what Trump was. He was/is a raging racist. When he was a landlord in New York, he would regularly deny occupancy in his buildings to black renters, which was against the law. You cannot do that. He CLEARLY courted the far right during this election cycle. Every loony white supremacist, KKK, type group was in his camp, and he would NOT reject or repudiate them. He built his campaign on hate for the folks who are conveniently different - black, hispanic, muslim. They were either thugs, rapists, or terrorists. Broad brush, no subtlety. And no solutions, just take a giant hammer to them - either the belong in jail, on the other side of the wall, or dead. Let's be very clear- his campaign fed on the insecurities that white Americans felt, either overtly or unconsciously.
The parallels to Hitler are always something one should do carefully, but this process of creating a convenient scapegoat to blame real or imagined problems on is a time-honored technique used be demagogues through the ages.
Trump always raged about "Making America Great Again." About taking it back to when it was great again. When was that exactly? In the fifties? Before civil rights when the country was lily white and blacks were neatly tucked away in powerless positions? Or further back when the KKK was terrorizing minorities? Trump's entire campaign was built on a nostalgia for an America gone by - an America of, by and for whites. If anyone is honest, they will see the truth in this.
The most disppointing thing in this whole sorry eposide is that so many whites supported this guy. i don't care what his economic or other policies were - just his character was enough for me to reject him. But that didn't happen. Which is why I say that this was without any question a "whitelash." It was a reaction by white America who had enough of 8 years of a black president, or immigrants who didn't look like them. It was a yearing for a time when there weren't these kinds of inconveniences to sully their utopia.
I am sure many of you will say 'well, that's not true." But as a person of color, I am telling you how we feel. You should listen and believe that what we feel is real, even if you don't feel it too.
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Just remember which states voted for who instead of classifying america as a whole as a bunch of dipshits.
Like I said earlier, it's rural America. The north east, the west coast aka the enlightened states did not vote for Trump.
I simply underestimated how many rural dipshits this country has.
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You can't argue how somebody feels. I respect your views hear I can tell it's from the heart.Originally posted by Scrumhalf View PostIt is interesting (and I am not talking about you), people don't think they are racist but their actions belie their beliefs. The affliction is really insidious.
Note what Trump was. He was/is a raging racist. When he was a landlord in New York, he would regularly deny occupancy in his buildings to black renters, which was against the law. You cannot do that. He CLEARLY courted the far right during this election cycle. Every loony white supremacist, KKK, type group was in his camp, and he would NOT reject or repudiate them. He built his campaign on hate for the folks who are conveniently different - black, hispanic, muslim. They were either thugs, rapists, or terrorists. Broad brush, no subtlety. And no solutions, just take a giant hammer to them - either the belong in jail, on the other side of the wall, or dead. Let's be very clear- his campaign fed on the insecurities that white Americans felt, either overtly or unconsciously.
The parallels to Hitler are always something one should do carefully, but this process of creating a convenient scapegoat to blame real or imagined problems on is a time-honored technique used be demagogues through the ages.
Trump always raged about "Making America Great Again." About taking it back to when it was great again. When was that exactly? In the fifties? Before civil rights when the country was lily white and blacks were neatly tucked away in powerless positions? Or further back when the KKK was terrorizing minorities? Trump's entire campaign was built on a nostalgia for an America gone by - an America of, by and for whites. If anyone is honest, they will see the truth in this.
The most disppointing thing in this whole sorry eposide is that so many whites supported this guy. i don't care what his economic or other policies were - just his character was enough for me to reject him. But that didn't happen. Which is why I say that this was without any question a "whitelash." It was a reaction by white America who had enough of 8 years of a black president, or immigrants who didn't look like them. It was a yearing for a time when there weren't these kinds of inconveniences to sully their utopia.
I am sure many of you will say 'well, that's not true." But as a person of color, I am telling you how we feel. You should listen and believe that what we feel is real, even if you don't feel it too.
Going forwards it's important as a country you pull behind the work ethic and I think this can work really well.
The guy has done what he needed to win.
I have to say I'm beginning to feel inspired
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Originally posted by Bouncer View PostJust remember which states voted for who instead of classifying america as a whole as a bunch of dipshits.
Like I said earlier, it's rural America. The north east, the west coast aka the enlightened states did not vote for Trump.
I simply underestimated how many rural dipshits this country has.
I hear what you are saying, B, but other the West and East coasts, the rest of the country went for him.
I am going to be honest here. This has opened my eyes. As a PhD engineer and scientist, I have been in a cocoon. But now, I am looking around. Every white guy I see - i am wondering, did you vote for Trump, and more importantly, what do you see when you see me? A thug, a guy who belongs on the other side of the wall, or a guy who needs to have a few rounds in me, or a bomb dropped on my head? Because clearly, the MAJORITY of white men voted for Trump. The statistics bear that out.
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The guy has done what he needed to win.Originally posted by Mr I View PostGoing forwards it's important as a country you pull behind the work ethic and I think this can work really well.
The guy has done what he needed to win.
I have to say I'm beginning to feel inspired
Aye, that he has indeed. By appealing to the primal fears of white America, pitting all people of non-European origin as the villains. As uppity blacks, criminal Mexicans or terrorist Muslims.
Now, he says he is going to be a president for everybody and heal the country.
Color me skeptical. But he is in charge. And he has the Senate and Congress with him..
The American people have rolled the dice, giving him the keys to the kingdom. I hope for their sake that they don't lose their shirts.
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I think that's a bit unfair and dramatic honestly.Originally posted by Scrumhalf View PostI hear what you are saying, B, but other the West and East coasts, the rest of the country went for him.
I am going to be honest here. This has opened my eyes. As a PhD engineer and scientist, I have been in a cocoon. But now, I am looking around. Every white guy I see - i am wondering, did you vote for Trump, and more importantly, what do you see when you see me? A thug, a guy who belongs on the other side of the wall, or a guy who needs to have a few rounds in me, or a bomb dropped on my head? Because clearly, the MAJORITY of white men voted for Trump. The statistics bear that out.
This is the same country that elected a black President for 2 terms.
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And just nevermind the fact that us bad ole whites voted for a black President twice? Bit disappointed in your view to be honest. Dare I say you're actually being a bit racist here?
Trump will be President and suddenly your looking at ALL white people with mistrust.... Interesting and disappointing..
You're just telling us how you feel but what you feel is racism my friend.
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