November 8th - who you got?

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The Dems will lose again if they don't get the progressives back into the fold, and appeal to the WWC. They need to make some fundamental changes to their leadership, get rid of establishment fat cats and bring in some new blood.

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Rip, I am trying to wrap my head around what you are saying and I want to make sure I understand.

Are you suggesting that appointing a white supremacist to a position of power in the WH is no different from appointing a guy who may have strong views on climate change or the 2A? That white nationalism is just another policy position whose merits can be discussed and argued about?

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I acknowledge that. Totally agree that a lot of guys who voted for Obama voted for Trump. S

Again, the main reason Trump won was because working class white voters in WI, MI, etc. were concerned about stagnating incomes and their long term job and standard of living prospects. Trump came along and soothed their concerns while the Democrats ignored it. Boom, game over.

But the same concerns that I talk about above, also stokes a need for scapegoats. The alt-right movement has thrived on this, and Trump has chosen to benefit from it and even stoke it mildly (or at the very least, choose not to repudiate it).

Honestly Trump BARELY won. Right now, with votes still being counted, Hillary has a 700k vote lead and they expect that to go over 1 MILLION after all votes are counted. She lost WI, MI, and PA by a combined 107k votes. Around a hundred thousand people in those 3 states would have made the difference and Hillary would have won.

This election was extremely close. The thing I'd be worred about if I were the GOP is that for the most part it looks like millenial Bernie supporters either stayed home or voted for a 3rd party. Get that group energized in 4 years with someone like Bernie or Bernie for that matter and you have another beat down like we saw in 2008. I, however am not a fan of Bernie. I'm a more moderate democrat and don't like Bernie's extreme left views/socialism mindset.

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CNN's 'Unprecedented': Trump told Christie he didn't think he'd last past October 2015 - CNNPolitics.com

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Yet you put out an impression that let me say this..."white" people didn't have the same fears and questions of an Obama presidency? really.. Bill Ayres in the white house..Known terrorist.. should I go on? Your buddy OBama had the same shit buddy...had racist folks in charge..but that was all good...Now its over you cant go crying..


The Regulatory Czar – Cass Sunstein

Sunstein was nominated and approved to be Obama’s “Regulatory Czar.” He supports massive gun control and doesn’t believe the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. He has straight out said, “We ought to ban hunting.” While this fruitcake strips Americans of their Constitutional right to own guns, he wants to give rights to animals and has argued that “Animals should be permitted to bring suit…” Naturally, he also supports the “Fairness Doctrine,” the wrongly-named concept which allows the government to regulate the airwaves.

Climate Czar – Todd Stern



Stern, a veteran of the Clinton administration, was the U.S. negotiator at the Kyoto conference in 1997 (which called for dramatic climate change regulations based on bogus assumptions.) Had the treaty been implemented, it would have plunged the world into economic chaos.


Science Czar – John Holdren

In his book, Holdren advocates some of the most bizarre and horrifying policy stances imaginable. In the event of a “over-population crises,” Holdren supports “laws requiring compulsory abortion,” government confiscation of new born babies, the “development of a long-term sterilizing capsule that could be implanted under the skin,” and, incredibly, “adding a sterilant to drinking water or stable foods….” as long a livestock would not be affected (as experimentally implemented in India). Holdren wants the government to dictate family size and advocate a “planetary regime,” run by the United Nations. This real life Dr. Frankenstein will be deciding science policy for the United States of America.


Chief Diversity Officer, Federal Communications Commission – Mark Lloyd

Like many of Obama’s appointees, Lloyd worked for George Soros, the foreign billionaire who funds anti-America groups. He seems to be enamored with dictators and has even publicly praised Venezuelan Communist dictator Hugo Chavez’s “incredible…democratic revolution.” He also wants to use the Fairness Doctrine to “balance” talk radio and believes there are too many white people in the media. He has written that unless there are “more people of color, gays and other people…we will not change the problem.” One of his solutions to “balance” the media is to fine conservative radio stations up to $250 million and give the proceeds to National Public Radio. Get ready for censorship like America has never seen before.


Attorney General – Eric Holder
Like most of Obama’s appointees, Holder is a member of the American Constitution Society, a ACLU-type group dedicated to destroying much the Constitution in order to make it “relevant” to the modern world. And as with many Obama’s appointees, he is obsessed with race, even to the point of refusing to pursue the prosecution of two Black Panther thugs who intimidated white voters at a polling place. The thugs were screaming things at the voters such as, “You are about to be ruled by the black man, cracker.” If whites had harassing blacks at a polling place, they would still be sitting in a jail within days. Nevertheless, Holder apparently doesn’t mind undermining the democratic process.

Shall I continue? Scrum...as you can clearly see..Obama brung in a lot of baggage too.. just give the racisim crap a rest talk policy...fine..Im all over it..

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dana is from Afghanistan scrum. you're from India. which one do you think most racist white Americans dislike more? If you were to go to south side Chicago and say "hello good fellows, i too am a person of color".. you would get this response...
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Dana is technically white (according to the census bureau).

But you are missing the point. I have not (to the best of my knowledge) been subject to or suffered from racism. I am only saying that I can understand the sentiments being expressed by minorities, even if I have not, to my knowledge, suffered it directly myself.

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Scrum those same white voters who voted for Trump also voted for Obama. Sure there are racists in this country, but Trump didn't win due to racists. Obama beat John McCain's dumb ass by 10 MILLION VOTES. Of all the entire US population, only 12% are black, and of those 12% something like 8% are registered to vote and of those 8% something even lower actually even vote like around 5%. At the end of the day, with 68% of the entire US population, non-hispanic whites determine elections.

I acknowledge that. Totally agree that a lot of guys who voted for Obama voted for Trump. S

Again, the main reason Trump won was because working class white voters in WI, MI, etc. were concerned about stagnating incomes and their long term job and standard of living prospects. Trump came along and soothed their concerns while the Democrats ignored it. Boom, game over.

But the same concerns that I talk about above, also stokes a need for scapegoats. The alt-right movement has thrived on this, and Trump has chosen to benefit from it and even stoke it mildly (or at the very least, choose not to repudiate it).

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dana is from Afghanistan scrum. you're from India. which one do you think most racist white Americans dislike more? If you were to go to south side Chicago and say "hello good fellows, i to am a person of color".. you would get this response...



and nobody collectively ran off FB. she was prohibited by her boyfriend/new husband from posting on a board with a bunch of steroid men..

[Keiser]

Scrum those same white voters who voted for Trump also voted for Obama. Sure there are racists in this country, but Trump didn't win due to racists. Obama beat John McCain's dumb ass by 10 MILLION VOTES. Of all the entire US population, only 12% are black, and of those 12% something like 8% are registered to vote and of those 8% something even lower actually even vote like around 5%. At the end of the day, with 68% of the entire US population, non-hispanic whites determine elections.

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Don't matter..your whole manner has changed..your an educated person..yet you have completely changed your way...think about it scrum...

Donald Trump won the election by highlighting work class concerns about where their income and standard of living are going. And the Dems ignored it and got burned for it. No question.

But Trump also either directly appealed to white concerns about the changing demographics of the country, or looked away when this was misappropriated by his followers into flat out bigotry and hate. When the freaking KKK came out and supported Trump, he could barely get out a lukewarm statement repudiating it. Every step of the way, he has had chances to repudiate white nationalist bigotry and he has chosen not to do so.

The alt-right movement has gotten a HUGE boost in this campaign. Do you know who Steve Bannon is? He was the CEO of Breitbart. Under his watch, Breitbart went from a ultraconservative site to a flat out white supremacist site, peddling conspiracy theories about Jews and raging about the deficiencies of women, blacks and gays. There are numerous documented instances when Bannon has pretty much come out and showed himself to be a raging racist and anti-Semite. I can list out individual incidents if you want but believe me, this guy is not just some ultraconservative guy. He is Stormfront-grade white supremacist. Is this the guy we want whispering in the President's ear every day?

Look, Trump won. Fine. But a lot of people, primarily minorities, are very nervous about what a Trump presidency will do to them. Trump had the golden opportunity to reach across and say to them, Look, I know you didn't vote for me, but I am not going to do anything to hurt you. I want to hear your concerns and what can I do to assure you that I am your President too?

But by appointing Bannon as his adviser, what Trump has done is to give a fuck-you middle finger to all those people - POC, LGBTs, Jews. It is a HUGE missed opportunity for him to bridge the very real divide in this country.

And on a personal note, I am the only POC on this site. And we don't have any women either, having collectively driven off FB somehow. Don't put me down as a rabble rouser here. If you want to hear a genuine viewpoint "from the other side" as it were, then don't dismiss what I am saying. I may not be at the lower end of the social and economic spectrum but I can fully relate to and explain what minorities are worried about. And if you don't want to hear it, fine, I am done with this conversation, but just like with Trump, it is missed opportunity for an alternative viewpoint to be heard here.

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scrums educated manner has changed by pointing out a racist?

No..all hes talking about is how the whole country is now against.."people of color" everything related to the government is now racist...its really getting old...same shit could be said about the last ass clown in charge and who he surrounded himself with...think about it..:thumb: His choices were just fine though:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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scrums educated manner has changed by pointing out a racist?

[lipripper]

Don't matter..your whole manner has changed..your an educated person..yet you have completely changed your way...think about it scrum...

[Scrumhalf]

Will your racist shit ever end? True colors come out when people don't get their way...is it showing?

Dude, do you know who Steve Bannon is and what he represents?

[lipripper]

Let's just say that when a guy appoints a raging white supremacist anti-semite as his adviser, I'm not inclined to be very charitable about his intentions.

Will your racist shit ever end? True colors come out when people don't get their way...is it showing?