November 8th - who you got?

[Keiser]

I hope you guys don't have much in the stock market or in your 401k. It's absolutely fucking tanking right now. Good Luck to you all and congrats to Trump. The white men and the bernie losers have spoken.

[Keiser]

Congrats to president Trump.

Scrum, the data is showing Trump won because of the Bernie supporters. Those losers chose to vote for him or a 3rd party to prove a point. The DNC email hack by Russia to show what they did to Bernie was a genius move by Putin. It worked.

I'm not surprised some of the swing states went to Trump, but Wisconsin and Michigan? Come on you've got to be kidding me. That's shocking.

Looks like Hillary is going to win the popular vote. Could you imagine the uprising and riots if Trump won the popular vote but lost the electoral college? Could you imagine all the "rigged system" screams?

[Scrumhalf]

You're just telling us how you feel but what you feel is racism my friend.

That is valid and unfair at the same time.

Yes, it is irrational and it is something I will eliminate because I can't go on that way.

But at the same time, to call me a racist for calling out guys will voted for a raging racist demagogue is rich. The future of minorities in this country is very much under threat. Whether you are a person of color, or LGBT, or a woman, you have every right to look nervously at what a Trump administration is cooking up for you.

[Bouncer]

Racism played a massive roll in this election. I am with you 100%. To deny that would be ridiculous.

But damn scrum, you are answering racism with racism here brother.

Would you really look at me and say "I wonder if he wants me behind a wall"!?

[Scrumhalf]

Don't take it personally. But if not you, perhaps anyone else who voted for him can say how they really feel about minorities in this country. Because 3/4 of white men voted for the guy. And either you buy into his views on minorities, or you were able to compartmentalize it somehow and say, well, I'll take this thing that he says because I like it, but I will ignore this other thing even though it is grotesque. And when I say "you" I use it genericall as a pronoun.

Forgive me if I feel a bit disappointed in my country this evening.

[Bouncer]

And just nevermind the fact that us bad ole whites voted for a black President twice? Bit disappointed in your view to be honest. Dare I say you're actually being a bit racist here?

Trump will be President and suddenly your looking at ALL white people with mistrust.... Interesting and disappointing..

You're just telling us how you feel but what you feel is racism my friend.

[Scrumhalf]

I'm just telling you how I feel. And I can only imagine how minorities without the advantages I have been fortunate enough to enjoy feel.

[Bouncer]

I hear what you are saying, B, but other the West and East coasts, the rest of the country went for him.

I am going to be honest here. This has opened my eyes. As a PhD engineer and scientist, I have been in a cocoon. But now, I am looking around. Every white guy I see - i am wondering, did you vote for Trump, and more importantly, what do you see when you see me? A thug, a guy who belongs on the other side of the wall, or a guy who needs to have a few rounds in me, or a bomb dropped on my head? Because clearly, the MAJORITY of white men voted for Trump. The statistics bear that out.

I think that's a bit unfair and dramatic honestly.

This is the same country that elected a black President for 2 terms.

[Scrumhalf]

Going forwards it's important as a country you pull behind the work ethic and I think this can work really well.

The guy has done what he needed to win.

I have to say I'm beginning to feel inspired

The guy has done what he needed to win.

Aye, that he has indeed. By appealing to the primal fears of white America, pitting all people of non-European origin as the villains. As uppity blacks, criminal Mexicans or terrorist Muslims.

Now, he says he is going to be a president for everybody and heal the country.

Color me skeptical. But he is in charge. And he has the Senate and Congress with him..

The American people have rolled the dice, giving him the keys to the kingdom. I hope for their sake that they don't lose their shirts.

[Scrumhalf]

Just remember which states voted for who instead of classifying america as a whole as a bunch of dipshits.

Like I said earlier, it's rural America. The north east, the west coast aka the enlightened states did not vote for Trump.

I simply underestimated how many rural dipshits this country has.

I hear what you are saying, B, but other the West and East coasts, the rest of the country went for him.

I am going to be honest here. This has opened my eyes. As a PhD engineer and scientist, I have been in a cocoon. But now, I am looking around. Every white guy I see - i am wondering, did you vote for Trump, and more importantly, what do you see when you see me? A thug, a guy who belongs on the other side of the wall, or a guy who needs to have a few rounds in me, or a bomb dropped on my head? Because clearly, the MAJORITY of white men voted for Trump. The statistics bear that out.

[Mr I]

It is interesting (and I am not talking about you), people don't think they are racist but their actions belie their beliefs. The affliction is really insidious.

Note what Trump was. He was/is a raging racist. When he was a landlord in New York, he would regularly deny occupancy in his buildings to black renters, which was against the law. You cannot do that. He CLEARLY courted the far right during this election cycle. Every loony white supremacist, KKK, type group was in his camp, and he would NOT reject or repudiate them. He built his campaign on hate for the folks who are conveniently different - black, hispanic, muslim. They were either thugs, rapists, or terrorists. Broad brush, no subtlety. And no solutions, just take a giant hammer to them - either the belong in jail, on the other side of the wall, or dead. Let's be very clear- his campaign fed on the insecurities that white Americans felt, either overtly or unconsciously.

The parallels to Hitler are always something one should do carefully, but this process of creating a convenient scapegoat to blame real or imagined problems on is a time-honored technique used be demagogues through the ages.

Trump always raged about "Making America Great Again." About taking it back to when it was great again. When was that exactly? In the fifties? Before civil rights when the country was lily white and blacks were neatly tucked away in powerless positions? Or further back when the KKK was terrorizing minorities? Trump's entire campaign was built on a nostalgia for an America gone by - an America of, by and for whites. If anyone is honest, they will see the truth in this.

The most disppointing thing in this whole sorry eposide is that so many whites supported this guy. i don't care what his economic or other policies were - just his character was enough for me to reject him. But that didn't happen. Which is why I say that this was without any question a "whitelash." It was a reaction by white America who had enough of 8 years of a black president, or immigrants who didn't look like them. It was a yearing for a time when there weren't these kinds of inconveniences to sully their utopia.

I am sure many of you will say 'well, that's not true." But as a person of color, I am telling you how we feel. You should listen and believe that what we feel is real, even if you don't feel it too.

You can't argue how somebody feels. I respect your views hear I can tell it's from the heart.

Going forwards it's important as a country you pull behind the work ethic and I think this can work really well.

The guy has done what he needed to win.

I have to say I'm beginning to feel inspired

[Bouncer]

Just remember which states voted for who instead of classifying america as a whole as a bunch of dipshits.

Like I said earlier, it's rural America. The north east, the west coast aka the enlightened states did not vote for Trump.

I simply underestimated how many rural dipshits this country has.

[Scrumhalf]

Interesting scrim. As an outsider and somebody who voted brexit, I can tell you in so far as my vote, it was not racism, it was about competent self governance.

My take on the US is that people are so disenchanted with the establishment that they are voting against it.

It's always a risky situation when that happens because they vote for anyone with strength that represents a perceived alternative.

It's now down to who he picks in his administration and the senate

It is interesting (and I am not talking about you), people don't think they are racist but their actions belie their beliefs. The affliction is really insidious.

Note what Trump was. He was/is a raging racist. When he was a landlord in New York, he would regularly deny occupancy in his buildings to black renters, which was against the law. You cannot do that. He CLEARLY courted the far right during this election cycle. Every loony white supremacist, KKK, type group was in his camp, and he would NOT reject or repudiate them. He built his campaign on hate for the folks who are conveniently different - black, hispanic, muslim. They were either thugs, rapists, or terrorists. Broad brush, no subtlety. And no solutions, just take a giant hammer to them - either the belong in jail, on the other side of the wall, or dead. Let's be very clear- his campaign fed on the insecurities that white Americans felt, either overtly or unconsciously.

The parallels to Hitler are always something one should do carefully, but this process of creating a convenient scapegoat to blame real or imagined problems on is a time-honored technique used be demagogues through the ages.

Trump always raged about "Making America Great Again." About taking it back to when it was great again. When was that exactly? In the fifties? Before civil rights when the country was lily white and blacks were neatly tucked away in powerless positions? Or further back when the KKK was terrorizing minorities? Trump's entire campaign was built on a nostalgia for an America gone by - an America of, by and for whites. If anyone is honest, they will see the truth in this.

The most disppointing thing in this whole sorry eposide is that so many whites supported this guy. i don't care what his economic or other policies were - just his character was enough for me to reject him. But that didn't happen. Which is why I say that this was without any question a "whitelash." It was a reaction by white America who had enough of 8 years of a black president, or immigrants who didn't look like them. It was a yearing for a time when there weren't these kinds of inconveniences to sully their utopia.

I am sure many of you will say 'well, that's not true." But as a person of color, I am telling you how we feel. You should listen and believe that what we feel is real, even if you don't feel it too.

[Mr I]

Interesting scrim. As an outsider and somebody who voted brexit, I can tell you in so far as my vote, it was not racism, it was about competent self governance.

My take on the US is that people are so disenchanted with the establishment that they are voting against it.

It's always a risky situation when that happens because they vote for anyone with strength that represents a perceived alternative.

It's now down to who he picks in his administration and the senate

[Scrumhalf]

Are you leaving then? Surely if your genuine things ae so bad as you say you will up and leave

I have the ability to move anywhere I want. I could probably make a phone call tomorrow and get a job in Europe or Asia or Canada. But I would rather work here. I don't think things will be dramatically different for me personally. I have a well paying job, insurance through work, etc. Realistically, the only thing I have to be concerned about is some guy taking a shot at me because I am a person of color. Which, considering I am in a very liberal part of the country, is rather unlikely.

But the situation is not so easy for a lot of people. I am afraid this is open season on Muslims and Hispanic immigrants. Trump has relentlessly courted the racists, the extremists on the extreme right. The KKK has endorsed him and he has been ambivalent in rejecting them. He has come out strongly against blacks, hispanics, muslims, with no subtlety whatsoever, painting a broad brush to create his own flawed narrative and not recognizing legitimate grievances of these communities. If I was one of them, I would be very nervous. Very nervous indeed.

Make no mistake - what America has seen today is what Van Jones called a whitelash. It is white America saying in no uncertain terms that it does not like the changing demographics of the country. Where this will go, I don't know. But anyone who says this is just about economics is either lying or hopelessly disconnected with the experiences of people with color in this country.