Russia intervened to help Trump win election

[Bouncer]

Seems like Obama is in a bad mood. But it does prove that your president until you aren't.

He's coming as a sore loser and bitter. Regardless of if he is or isn't, it's how he's coming across.

Russia and America has ALWAYS spied on each other. This is nothing new. I find it really weird how hell bent Obama and Hillary during her campaign are on making an enemy out of Russia. Why would we want that? Why would the American people want more tensions with another Nuclear power.

This is one area where I think trump is the better option. I think we will have a much better relationship with russia and I dont think thats a bad thing for anyone.

[Mr I]

I agree but it's dirt that Trump calls Put in smart while the president is handling matters of national security.

Crosses the line

[Keiser]

This is one area where I think trump is the better option. I think we will have a much better relationship with russia and I dont think thats a bad thing for anyone.

This would be great, but you're forgetting one thing. Russia has no desire to have a relationship with America. They want to destroy America. They want to take over Ukraine and the other baltic states and America is pretty much the only country who can stop them. With a weaker America, Russia can continue their plans. Putting a puppet like Trump in power weakens America and Putin knows this.

(I used to not believe any of this until I spent some time in Russia and Ukraine and learned how the people there think). America is the enemy. Period.

[Keiser]

I tend to side with this guy lately, especially his takes about this Russia issue with Trump:

https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin

[Bouncer]

I don't believe for one minute that Russia doesn't want a good relationship with America.

[Scrumhalf]

I tend to side with this guy lately, especially his takes about this Russia issue with Trump:

https://twitter.com/Evan_McMullin

Yeah, I don't agree with his core positions on women's choice, etc, but he seems to be a sensible guy, more in line with what Republicans used to be before the tea party nuts took over the party.

[Keiser]

I don't believe for one minute that Russia doesn't want a good relationship with America.

You don't understand the Russian psyche then. Especially someone like Putin who loved the USSR. America destroyed th USSR. America is the enemy.

[Bouncer]

You don't understand the Russian psyche then. Especially someone like Putin who loved the USSR. America destroyed th USSR. America is the enemy.

He was a KGB agent living in a shitty apartment building and driving a rust bucket on wheels when Russia was the Soviet Union. He is now the most powerful man in the country and a billionaire... I'm sure he's perfectly happy with how things have gone for him and the country he runs. Times have changed and people can change along with those times. It's in nothing but the best interest for Russia to have a good relationship with the US.

[Keiser]

He was a KGB agent living in a shitty apartment building and driving a rust bucket on wheels when Russia was the Soviet Union. He is now the most powerful man in the country and a billionaire... I'm sure he's perfectly happy with how things have gone for him and the country he runs. Times have changed and people can change along with those times. It's in nothing but the best interest for Russia to have a good relationship with the US.

You're right, he's a billionaire due to all the money he's stolen from the Russian people and other nearby countries. He needs nothing from America other than for them to get out of his way. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia was a democracy. After Putin, it's once again a dictatorship.

It's really crazy how the GOP republicans have been crucifying Obama for being too weak on Putin (look at Chad77 post in this very thread) and now they all of the sudden want to be friends with him? What the hell is going on? This makes no sense at all what so ever.

Bouncer, I'd recommend you take a look at this book. Written by Russian Chess prodigy Garry Kasparov. He knows the Russian mentality and he knows Putin. He's under constant security now for writing this book. Putin kills anyone who speaks out against him. And this is the guy Trump wants to be friends with?

The stunning story of Russia's slide back into a dictatorship—and how the West is now paying the price for allowing it to happen.

The ascension of Vladimir Putin—a former lieutenant colonel of the KGB—to the presidency of Russia in 1999 was a strong signal that the country was headed away from democracy. Yet in the intervening years—as America and the world's other leading powers have continued to appease him—Putin has grown not only into a dictator but an internationalthreat. With his vast resources and nuclear arsenal, Putin is at the center of a worldwide assault on political liberty and the modern world order.

For Garry Kasparov, none of this is news. He has been a vocal critic of Putin for over a decade, even leading the pro-democracy opposition to him in the farcical 2008 presidential election. Yet years of seeing his Cassandra-like prophecies about Putin's intentions fulfilled have left Kasparov with a darker truth: Putin's Russia, like ISIS or Al Qaeda, defines itself in opposition to the free countries of the world.

As Putin has grown ever more powerful, the threat he poses has grown from local to regional and finally to global. In this urgent book, Kasparov shows that the collapse of the Soviet Union was not an endpoint—only a change of seasons, as the Cold War melted into a new spring. But now, after years of complacency and poor judgment, winter is once again upon us.

Argued with the force of Kasparov's world-class intelligence, conviction, and hopes for his home country, Winter Is Coming reveals Putin for what he is: an existential danger hiding in plain sight.

[Mr I]

No doubt about it Putin is ruthless and I wouldn't want to live under him.

It's just embarrassing that we have a pres elect tweeting against the incumbent.

Also the UK needs to show its with its special relation here and I was dissapointed with our own premier (not elected) coming out against John kerry

[Bouncer]

I just don't buy into the whole "Russia is the devil, an we are angels" mentality.

The US has done some pretty horrible shit over the years itself.

If the US were to simply crumble the effect of that would hit the world (including Russia) like a fucken tsunami.

Putin has done very well for himself after the crumble of the USSR and the following prosperous years of the US. Why would he want to risk change? Risk instability? He's got everything he could ever want and stands to make more money with good relations with the US.

You think Putin sits in his palace thinking "ahh the USSR the good old days".. fuck no. These are the good old days for him, he's never been better.

[Mr I]

He was devastated when the old soviet union fell

[Bouncer]

He was devastated when the old soviet union fell

Yes I understand that. He was KGB and believed in the USSR.

But it's now 30 years later and he has risen to the very top. You think he'd rather go back to the way things were? 99% of his success has come AFTER the USSR fell. It created an environment for him to rise.

[Mr I]

Did you miss the fact they invaded the crimea? They're trying to get it all back you tard

[Bouncer]

Political games. Game of chess. Putin is a smart fella and understands the USSR failed because it had many flaws. He wants a strong Russia. He doesn't want a USSR.

US and Russia can work very well together. The space program is glimpse of that.