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I dont know if anyone else has been keeping up with this but I think it is crazy. They are having rallies at the white castle where it happened and having a memorial for the guy. This guy was high on PCP and Cocain and attacked the cops for gods sake. There was definatly racism involed to, While the guy was fighting the cops he was calling them crackers, rednecks,this is what my mooma taught me, and other slurs. I hate to see this. Most experts say the cops did nothing wrong. Mark my word if the officers are found innocent of the brutality charges it will be a very dangerous situation, simaler to the Rodney King verdict reaction.
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From what I read I don't think I can blame the cops. Have you ever tried to stop somone on PCP and coke? Again I don't know anything about the story but when you pick a fight with somone who you know has the authority to use what ever means to stop you, you should expect the worse. -
There you go.:agree:Originally posted by Shibby
From what I read I don't think I can blame the cops. Have you ever tried to stop somone on PCP and coke? Again I don't know anything about the story but when you pick a fight with somone who you know has the authority to use what ever means to stop you, you should expect the worse.Comment
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If a man that big and hopped up on drugs attacked me and I was a cop, I wouldn't have even messed with the sticks...I'd have pulled my gun and blasted away.Comment
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the cops everywhere need to update their training and means of subdueing a person. Beating some dude with a stick is a little outdated i think, and there are better and safer ways to imobilize someone of even 300+ pounds other then clubbing him to death.
But thats what the police have been trained to do so imo there is no wrong doing on their part, but the training they recieve should definitely be re-evaluated. I mean think about it guys......if the attacker is on PCP then he is feeling no pain right? so how is clubing and jabbing him with a baton going to stop him? it wont because he isnt feeling pain! so in that case the attacker will not stop until he is seriousely injured. why not use a stun gun or something?Comment
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I was watching Dicovery channel one time. They had a show on about police defence. They showed two videos, the first was one of the cops zapping a guy with a stun gun (sober). It knocked him to the ground and he was begging them to stop. The next show the same thing on a guy with a knife on PCP. It just slowed the guys movements a little. I would blast the SOB.Originally posted by LARGELI
the cops everywhere need to update their training and means of subdueing a person. Beating some dude with a stick is a little outdated i think, and there are better and safer ways to imobilize someone of even 300+ pounds other then clubbing him to death.
But thats what the police have been trained to do so imo there is no wrong doing on their part, but the training they recieve should definitely be re-evaluated. I mean think about it guys......if the attacker is on PCP then he is feeling no pain right? so how is clubing and jabbing him with a baton going to stop him? it wont because he isnt feeling pain! so in that case the attacker will not stop until he is seriousely injured. why not use a stun gun or something?Comment
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he swung, they tried to deatin, that fat fuck wouldnt stop, he died as a result...the chemical madness state of mind he was in, there was no way he was gonna go quietly...and they say the death was a result of the cops trying to subdue him...not the coke and dust, or the 350lbs on his frame or the enlarged heart, just the cops trying to stop a drug crazied piece of shit
ya know what I hope they go nuts like they did in LA, and burn down their own neighborhood...shows vast intelligenceComment
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Amen I agreeOriginally posted by Doom
he swung, they tried to deatin, that fat fuck wouldnt stop, he died as a result...the chemical madness state of mind he was in, there was no way he was gonna go quietly...and they say the death was a result of the cops trying to subdue him...not the coke and dust, or the 350lbs on his frame or the enlarged heart, just the cops trying to stop a drug crazied piece of shit
ya know what I hope they go nuts like they did in LA, and burn down their own neighborhood...shows vast intelligenceComment
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Originally posted by Doom
he swung, they tried to deatin, that fat fuck wouldnt stop, he died as a result...the chemical madness state of mind he was in, there was no way he was gonna go quietly...and they say the death was a result of the cops trying to subdue him...not the coke and dust, or the 350lbs on his frame or the enlarged heart, just the cops trying to stop a drug crazied piece of shit
ya know what I hope they go nuts like they did in LA, and burn down their own neighborhood...shows vast intelligence
Totally agree. I just didnt want to start abunch of shit. Rodney King was on the same stuff. They have bust his ass numerous times since that incident, for things like driving over 100 under the influence and beating his girlfriend. BURN DOWN THE NATTIE.Comment
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Here's the latest article on CNN
CINCINNATI, Ohio (CNN) -- The attorney for Nathaniel Jones' family said he believes the man would have died whether or not he had drugs in his system because of the prone position in which police placed him.
"I think with the enlarged heart and the ability not to breathe ... the pressure that's put on him at 350 pounds when he was laid down on his stomach, I think the lack of oxygen still would have probably generated a heart attack," attorney Kenneth Lawson told CNN's Paula Zahn on Wednesday night.
Lawson also said he partly blamed the police officers and paramedics for Jones' death because he believes Jones was trying to surrender when police made him lie down.
"I'm not saying that the officers did not have a right to engage in self-defense, I wouldn't say that at all," Lawson said.
"I think, though, after you see Mr. Jones go down and then come up on his knees on the tape, you will see ... his hands are open, his palms are open, they're not clenched in a fist in a fighting mode, he is trying to get into a surrender position."
The case has stirred fears in metropolitan Cincinnati, where the killing of an unarmed black man by a white police officer in 2001 sparked three nights of rioting. Five of the officers involved in the altercation with Jones were white and one was black.
Angry citizens attended a community meeting Wednesday night to discuss Jones' death. City officials including Mayor Charlie Luken and Police Chief Thomas Streicher Jr. attended.
Hamilton County's coroner said Wednesday that Jones' death will be ruled a homicide, as the violent struggle between Jones and the officers was the primary cause of his death.
Dr. Carl Parrott noted that Jones, who weighed 350 pounds, was obese, had an enlarged heart, and "intoxicating levels" of PCP, methanol and cocaine in his blood. There were superficial bruises consistent with nightstick injuries.
"There were superficial so-called tramp track bruises consistent with night-stick injury, confined to the lower part of the decedent's body, with no evidence of transmission of force or injury to deeper organs."
Despite Jones' potentially lethal combination of health problems, Parrott said, the event precipitating his death was the stress from the struggle, which he said caused cardiac dysrhythmia, an irregular heartbeat, which was the ultimate cause of death.
With a person who has such problems, "such a reaction can be, and frequently is, lethal," he said. "Accordingly, his death must be regarded as a direct and immediate consequence, in part, of the struggle" aggravated by "his obesity, heart disease and drug intoxication."
He added: "Absent the struggle, however, Mr. Jones would not have died at that precise moment of time."
Parrott said Jones' death will be ruled a homicide but stressed that doesn't imply inappropriate behavior on the part of police doing their job.
"Whether anything could have been done in these circumstances is something I can't address. The success rate with resuscitation in these circumstances, as far as I understand it, is not very high."
Jones, 41, died at a hospital shortly after police hit him with metal nightsticks to subdue him early Sunday morning. Police videotapes show officers pulled out their nightsticks after Jones lunged at one of them, and he continued to fight off policemen as they tried to get him to lie down.
A videotape shows police officers struggling with Nathaniel Jones.
Members of Jones' family Wednesday denounced the officers' actions and said they could have restrained themselves. They called for an independent investigation.
African-American community leaders also are calling for a full investigation into the incident and have demanded that the police chief resign.
Meanwhile, the FBI and the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division are gathering information on the incident.
Police also are investigating and have placed the six officers involved on administrative leave, as is standard in cases where a suspect
has died in police custody. The Citizen Complaint Authority, created after the April 2001 riots, also is looking into the matter.
Cincinnati's police chief Tuesday said a police cruiser video that recorded the incident indicates the officers acted properly. That video showed officers fighting with Jones and clubbing him repeatedly.
Another video, shot from inside and outside the White Castle restaurant, showed Jones dancing and marching around the restaurant and in the parking lot before police arrived on the scene.Comment
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That fat piece of shit deserves what he got. I would have shot the slob in the damn head.Comment
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this is a tough situation.:(Comment
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Originally posted by Doom
he swung, they tried to deatin, that fat fuck wouldnt stop, he died as a result...the chemical madness state of mind he was in, there was no way he was gonna go quietly...and they say the death was a result of the cops trying to subdue him...not the coke and dust, or the 350lbs on his frame or the enlarged heart, just the cops trying to stop a drug crazied piece of shit
ya know what I hope they go nuts like they did in LA, and burn down their own neighborhood...shows vast intelligence
i agree that the cops did nothing wrong. They did what they were trained to do and that fat muther f'er should have expected to get the shit beat outta him for attacking a cop, everyone knows that you cant do that and if you do, then you can expect to get your ass kicked bad!!!
my comment was just that i think beating someone over the head with a stick is kinda a primitive and caveman like, and not only to the guy whos getting beat but its not a very safe tactic for the cops, what if there were only one or two cops on scene instead of six or whatever, and the 300 pound dude just took their clubs and beat them to death? they gotta come up with something better. they should make it ok for cops to shoot peoples knee caps or something in that case........fat boy is immobilized but gets to live and the cops dont have to worry about him attacking them or running....everybodies happy! and if fat boy has a problem with it then he should not have attacked them.Comment
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no its not bro !!! the dude attacked a cop i mean damn ..hello...a person is asking for a beatinOriginally posted by THE JUICE
this is a tough situation.:(Comment
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why?Originally posted by THE JUICE
this is a tough situation.:(Comment
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