Truck attack in Manhattan kills 8; mayor calls it act of terror

[lipripper]

Rip, lol. As you said, "very un-presidential". You are now acting as an apologist for Trump by essentially saying "oh it's just words, we shouldn't pay much attention to it." umm, the words of the most powerful man on the planet are pretty god damn important and they can come with grave consequences.

Not at all..he does a lot of stupid shit... Its funny how everyone thinks I'm on his dick..why don't you do a search when the campaign was running... I said out right before he was even the republican nominee he was a narcissist and self centered person, but he believes in a strong America. HE in my opnion was the better of the two for making America strong again. I couldn't not believe Hillary and trump were the best America could do.. again..there was 3 reasons, and only 3 reasons I voted for him

#1 get America back to work..as Obama care and a 30 hour work week it created killed working class and lower class americans.

#2 secure our fucking border..I don't thing new laws are needed but just ENFORCE the ones we have. You have to admit..the last administration did not and in fact made it easier for ILLEALGAL immigrant's to get here. I have no problem with folks coming here..just do it the right way. too simple.

#3 rebuild our military as its been decimated under the last administration

very simple really bro. I picked him for them three reasons only.. research your board..youll see..:agreed:

[Scrumhalf]

My point is, why give this guy's lawyers any ammo? You know for a fact they are going to say that Trump's comments have prejudiced the jury and there's no way this guy can get a fair trial. They may not succeed, but they have made the prosecutors' job harder.

By the way, Bergdahl's lawyers did exactly that. They latched on to comments Trump made during the campaign and said there's no way for Bergdahl to get a fair trial, and that he should be discharged with no time served. Prosecutors are asking for 14 years.

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[Bouncer]

So when's the last time a president said off with his head and it was done. You want to take a stupid comment and turn it into a reality...that's as stupid as his comment. It's him being stupid and voicing his opinion...( Very un-presidential) it'll never happen..and your the educated one...yet you fall right into it..

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Rip, lol. As you said, "very un-presidential". You are now acting as an apologist for Trump by essentially saying "oh it's just words, we shouldn't pay much attention to it." umm, the words of the most powerful man on the planet are pretty god damn important and they can come with grave consequences.

[lipripper]

So when's the last time a president said off with his head and it was done. You want to take a stupid comment and turn it into a reality...that's as stupid as his comment. It's him being stupid and voicing his opinion...( Very un-presidential) it'll never happen..and your the educated one...yet you fall right into it..

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[Bouncer]

My point is scrums hatred for Trump he makes a case to side with a terrorist over a stupid comment

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I'll agree to a point. I don't think scrum "sides" with that POS.

But as always in one of these cases instead of flat out condemning this terrorist scrum tends to come across as an apologist in a sense. He hasn't said a single negative thing about this POS. Instead he brings up the Vegas shooter, points out double standards (which I agree with fyi) and just tends to come across as if he has some sort of sympathy for the scum.

That's where I have an issue with scrum. I know he is a great guy and I know he absolutely does not support any sort of violence. I just wish he would show a little more anger towards these terrorist rather then simply just pointing the finger back at the US and cast blame. The US is no angel, I understand that. But you can't just respond by pointing the finger back at the US without condemning terrorism and expect people not to say "hmm, this scrum guy seems like he supports the terrorist more then he does the country he lives in." I know that isn't the truth. But I can see why some people would think that by reading some of his posts.

[Scrumhalf]

I give up. Exactly what comment of mine is stupid?

I say that due process should be followed and constitutional protections should apply to everyone, and that's siding with the terrorist?

When a leader can simply say "off with his head" and it happens, that's a monarchy, not a democracy.

And for the record, after the guy has his day in court and if he's found guilty, then I think he should rot in jail for the rest of his life.

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[lipripper]

I don't think scrum would fight for the guy to be released. He's just saying Trump and McCain have potentially given this guy an out with their stupid comments.

Regardless, this guy will absolutely not be released and I disagree with scrum. As stupid as Trump and McCain comments are, they wont come back to haunt anything. This guy is a terrorist and the US gov will punish this POS for the rest of his life in one way or another. The Vegas shooter was at least smart enough to kill himself. He knew his life would be made a living hell. Terrorist aren't treated like normal prisoners. Pretty sure they are kept in solitary and subjected to all kinds of mental warfare that isn't standard for the average prisoner.

My point is scrums hatred for Trump he makes a case to side with a terrorist over a stupid comment

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[Bouncer]

I don't think scrum would fight for the guy to be released. He's just saying Trump and McCain have potentially given this guy an out with their stupid comments.

Regardless, this guy will absolutely not be released and I disagree with scrum. As stupid as Trump and McCain comments are, they wont come back to haunt anything. This guy is a terrorist and the US gov will punish this POS for the rest of his life in one way or another. The Vegas shooter was at least smart enough to kill himself. He knew his life would be made a living hell. Terrorist aren't treated like normal prisoners. Pretty sure they are kept in solitary and subjected to all kinds of mental warfare that isn't standard for the average prisoner.

[lipripper]

Lots of people have come here without knowing a lick of English and done just fine. Heck, your grear-grandpappy from Italy probably didn't know any English either when he hopped off the boat.

Again, my point is that you don't cancel a good program because one guy out of many thousands of people went astray

By the way, I think Trump and McCain should keep their mouths shut. Trump is saying the guy should get the death penalty and that our justice system moves too slowly, in other words, hell with due process, just string him up. McCain wants the guy sent to Gitmo, 6th Amendment be damned.

If I were this guy's lawyer, I would call for a mistrial. I would claim that the president of the US and a leading senator have prejudiced the process and there's no way my client can get a fair trial. Mark my words, the words of these guys will come back to haunt them.


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Agree trump should keep his mouth shut...Fucking stupid


But scrum...You would fight for this fucking scum to be released....Knowing what he did.....If so....Your as bad as him in my opinion...That's fucked up!:wack:

[Bouncer]

I hear ya scrum but it's a different time now brother. People didn't do the kind of shit they do now. And I include the Vegas shooter in with that. We have to have some sort of better way at handling these mental cases. You can't tell me there weren't signs with the Vegas shooter or the nyc guy.

[Scrumhalf]

Lots of people have come here without knowing a lick of English and done just fine. Heck, your grear-grandpappy from Italy probably didn't know any English either when he hopped off the boat.

Again, my point is that you don't cancel a good program because one guy out of many thousands of people went astray

By the way, I think Trump and McCain should keep their mouths shut. Trump is saying the guy should get the death penalty and that our justice system moves too slowly, in other words, hell with due process, just string him up. McCain wants the guy sent to Gitmo, 6th Amendment be damned.

If I were this guy's lawyer, I would call for a mistrial. I would claim that the president of the US and a leading senator have prejudiced the process and there's no way my client can get a fair trial. Mark my words, the words of these guys will come back to haunt them.


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[Bouncer]

What bias? I am talking about using a blanket action to address the act of 1 person. The DV program has benefited countless people who have come here to do well for themselves as well as enrich the nation. Why throw it away because of 1 guy? That does not make any sense. That is biased?

The gun bias you brought up.

I just think the people coming here should be better prepared. In the case of this guy. He spoke zero English when he got here.

[Scrumhalf]

What bias? I am talking about using a blanket action to address the act of 1 person. The DV program has benefited countless people who have come here to do well for themselves as well as enrich the nation. Why throw it away because of 1 guy? That does not make any sense. That is biased?

[Bouncer]

Bouncer, the lottery program has been around for 27 years. Literally thousands upon thousands of people have taken advantage of it and built good lives. You latch on 1 guy who went astray and want the whole program removed? That doesn't make any sense.

On the other hand, you say that the act of 1 crazy guy in Vegas should not be any reason to gut the 2A.

You need to be consistent.

A more direct comparison to banning guns is to ban trucks because that's what the killer used. Ridiculous. I am being consistent. Your mixing up the argument because you can't see past a bias. You hate guns and you admit "you know nothing about them". It's a bias bro, regardless of what your willing to admit to yourself.

Do you know how many legal gun owners commit zero crimes everyday? Millions upon millions. Yet you want them gone because you see some news stories and buy into the fear machine.

The real issue in both cases is mental health.

I am in no way defending that piece of shit Vegas shooter fyi.

I'm just saying these people come over can't speak English and it's not a recipe for success for a large number of them. There must be a better way.

[Scrumhalf]

this why a lottery program is a terrible idea. people need to be able to succeed not come here only to become disillusioned.

Finding a Rootless Life in U.S., Sayfullo Saipov Turned to Radicalism

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Bouncer, the lottery program has been around for 27 years. Literally thousands upon thousands of people have taken advantage of it and built good lives. You latch on 1 guy who went astray and want the whole program removed? That doesn't make any sense.

On the other hand, you say that the act of 1 crazy guy in Vegas should not be any reason to gut the 2A.

You need to be consistent.