Texas Church Shooting

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They are saying it was a citizen with a gun who chased and possibly killed the suspect before police arrived.

As sad as this was, if this shooting had happened in a place where nobody was legally allowed to own guns besides the police it's very possible more innocent people could have died. They are saying the suspect dropped his gun and ran as soon as he was shot at by a citizen.

The suspect had multiple weapons in his car so I'm sure he was planning on driving to a mall or some other place filled with people and doing the same thing he did at the church.

Horrible tragedy but as they say, don't fuck with Texas.

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The Texas church massacre could have been worse if not for one man - CNN

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Wonder if this sick fuck was wanting to copy cat vegas. Sick fucks in this world.

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Wonder if this sick fuck was wanting to copy cat vegas. Sick fucks in this world.

They are saying he drove 40 miles to the church his in laws attend but they weren't there.

I will say 1 anti gun thing rip. this guy was dishonorably discharged, spent 12 months in confinement, had previous family abuse charges towards his child and wife yet he was still able to get his guns legally in Texas. If you have that kind of record you should not be able to buy firearms legally.

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So the guy was denied permission to carry in public but was allowed to purchase weapons. what a stupid fucken law. you got a guy with a clear history of problems and they say "no you can't carry a weapon in public but sure you can buy an AR-15 no problem". texas needs to look itself in the mirror and ask itself why they would allow this POS to obtain weapons legally.

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A lot of places have a clause that if you have a domestic violence conviction its considered like a felony and you cant have a firearm.

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A lot of places have a clause that if you have a domestic violence conviction its considered like a felony and you cant have a firearm.

yea i know. but not Texas. and this guy had more then just a basic domestic violence charge. he was dishonorably discharged and spent a year in confinement.

this is the type of shit that makes it so hard for law abiding gun owners.

i believe good law abiding people should be able to obtain any type of gun they want. BUT. the government needs to look more into who they are giving weapons to. this guy absolutely should not have been allowed to get his hands on any guns. they knew he had some history so they denied him permission to carry in public but allowed him to buy multiple guns as long as he didn't take them out in public. lol. if you know he has a history you shouldn't allow the fucker to have the fucken guns.

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Did he own them prior to him getting convicted, or was he allowed to buy afterward? If he owned them prior to I wonder if there is some how they would check to ensure he got rid of them upon his conviction.. If he got them after..thats pretty fucked up!

But you know the deal..a criminal isn't gonna follow laws.

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The rule has to be national. No point having a patchwork of state by state rules.

Also, the CDC declared gun violence as a national health crisis but they are explicitly forbidden by law to spend a penny on research on the causes of gun violence. Why? Because the NRA has explicitly lobbied against it. It is clear that while guns are super easy for unstable people to purchase, we also have some kind of pathological condition in this country regarding gun violence. We need the CDC to research this. No different from tobacco or whatever.

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i'm not sure if he had the weapons before or after his crimes.

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So the neighbor shot the suspect with his AR-15 when the suspect walked out of the church. The suspect was hit and dropped his weapon. He jumped in his car and took off. The neighbor and some guy driving by chased after him hitting speeds of 95mph. The suspect called his father and told him he had been shot and he wasn't going to make it. He then shot himself and drove into a ditch.

That neighbor very likely prevented many more deaths. The suspect had 3 more loaded rifles and a handgun in his car.

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The rule has to be national. No point having a patchwork of state by state rules.

Also, the CDC declared gun violence as a national health crisis but they are explicitly forbidden by law to spend a penny on research on the causes of gun violence. Why? Because the NRA has explicitly lobbied against it. It is clear that while guns are super easy for unstable people to purchase, we also have some kind of pathological condition in this country regarding gun violence. We need the CDC to research this. No different from tobacco or whatever.

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its simply the unstable people getting guns that leads to this kind of violence. there are millions and millions of legal gun owners that never break the law. there is no pathological condition with 99% of legal gun owners. you simply dont ever hear about the millions of gun owners who follow the law everyday. its only during times of tragedy which gives people this false impression that guns are evil and everyone that owns one must be some kind of gun nut.

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If we don't think we have a gun violence problem in this country, then there is no hope for us. It's an epidemic and we are not going to fix it until we study it and come up with solutions.

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If we don't think we have a gun violence problem in this country, then there is no hope for us. It's an epidemic and we are not going to fix it until we study it and come up with solutions.

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Not saying it shouldn't be fixed..but how many studies have been done on drug problems..drinking problems...gambling problems, gang problems... has it helped? no...it still continues Sad but true. people will alwayws be fucked up. that's why you need to be able to protect yourself. It is a mental health issue and a problem of violating someone rights. Unfortunately, The same laws that allow people to have the freedoms they do here also STOP law enforcement from doing a lot more preventive measures. Unfortunately ya cant have it both ways. So in this assholes case...if the cops came and took his guns because of something he did in the past..he could simply say hes being "profiled" just like a Muslim..or a black man or a anything one else.. See..People want it one way..when it benefits them..but not when it impedes them.:wack:

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If we don't think we have a gun violence problem in this country, then there is no hope for us. It's an epidemic and we are not going to fix it until we study it and come up with solutions.

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Mental health problem.

The issue is when unstable people have access to guns. That's what needs to be fixed.

In the case of this Texas shooting. The state failed. He was denied a permit to carry because they knew he had some kind of record yet he was not denied access to weapons and was allowed to legally purchase.