Texas Church Shooting

[Bouncer]

Actually, the science is fairly strong on this. I think we know exactly whow much human activities are contributing to global warming.



Your first sentence is common sense, but in your second & third sentences, you are veering from skepticism to paranoia.

We don't know exactly how much humans contribute. That's absolutely false. We have a good understanding but it is very far from exact. The Earth warms and cools in natural cycles. We do not have a full understanding of exactly how fast the Earth would be warming if we didn't exist. It's more of an educated guess.

Paranoia when it comes to today's politics is warranted I think. 10 years ago you would never have believed in a million years Trump would be our president. Who the fuck knows what will happen next. Whoever gets elected after Trump may be the extreme opposite. That would probably be good for most things because I agree with Trump on almost nothing. But the way he views the 2nd amendment is one of them. So paranoia or not, I think the political climate warrants such fears.

[Scrumhalf]

We don't know exactly how much humans contribute. That's absolutely false. We have a good understanding but it is very far from exact. The Earth warms and cools in natural cycles. We do not have a full understanding of exactly how fast the Earth would be warming if we didn't exist.

Disagree completely. Scientists have an excellent idea of how much man-made vs. natural causes contribute to global warming. And if anything, they have been conservative about the man made sources, which means that the reality is almost certainly going to be worse than predicted.

You want references? Michael Mann has spoken extensively about this.

[Scrumhalf]

By the way, firearm deaths per 100,000 is exactly the same as motor vehicle deaths in the US. That's how big a public health concern firearm deaths are. Yet we choose to do nothing other than offer "thoughts and prayers." Think about how much science research has gone into and is going into reducing road deaths - safety features on cars, tire research, road engineering, lighting, snow/ice control, etc. That's what we need to be doing on the gun side as well.


Here are the stats (2014 data):



Here is the link to the data in case you want to dig further.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf

[Bouncer]

Again. It's about comparing to the Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles. Who's to say some warming periods are slightly more excelirated than others? Can science say without a shadow of a doubt how fast the Earth went through it's natural warming cycle during the Jurassic period?

The science is based on certain assumptions. More of an educated guess.

But what the fuck are we even talking about here. This is about gun research. LoL

[Bouncer]

By the way, firearm deaths per 100,000 is exactly the same as motor vehicle deaths in the US. That's how big a public health concern firearm deaths are. Yet we choose to do nothing other than offer "thoughts and prayers." Think about how much science research has gone into and is going into reducing road deaths - safety features on cars, tire research, road engineering, lighting, snow/ice control, etc. That's what we need to be doing on the gun side as well.


Here are the stats (2014 data):



Here is the link to the data in case you want to dig further.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf

Most of those gun deaths are suicide or gang related. They simply use the easiest tool for the job. If not guns it would be knives etc..

Fact is, you are far more likely to be injured or killed on the road then you are by a gun.

[Scrumhalf]

Again. It's about comparing to the Earth's natural warming and cooling cycles. Who's to say some warming periods are slightly more excelirated than others? Can science say without a shadow of a doubt how fast the Earth went through it's natural warming cycle during the Jurassic period?

The science is based on certain assumptions. More of an educated guess.

No, no, no! Scientists can look at data using ice cores on long term global warming and cooling trends, as well as short term (since industrial revolution) trends on top of it. They have an excellent idea of how much man-made contributions are. People who claim they don't either have a tenuous grasp of science or are wilful climate deniers.

And there is no such thing as without a shadow of a doubt. Even Einstein can be proven wrong tomorrow if there's a piece of data that contradicts his theory. To quote one of my favorite scientiests Stephen Jay Gould, in science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' But the climate data is so overwhelming that it can be considered as fact.

[Scrumhalf]

Most of those gun deaths are suicide or gang related. They simply use the easiest tool for the job. If not guns it would be knives etc..

Fact is, you are far more likely to be injured or killed on the road then you are by a gun.

What about suicides? It would seem logical to at least study the data to see what can be done to reduce that number.

[Bouncer]

What about suicides? It would seem logical to at least study the data to see what can be done to reduce that number.

If you want to kill yourself you can do it in any number of ways. Guns again are just a tool. The real question should be why so many people want to kill themselves. This I'm sure is already being studied.

[Bouncer]

No, no, no! Scientists can look at data using ice cores on long term global warming and cooling trends, as well as short term (since industrial revolution) trends on top of it. They have an excellent idea of how much man-made contributions are. People who claim they don't either have a tenuous grasp of science or are wilful climate deniers.

And there is no such thing as without a shadow of a doubt. Even Einstein can be proven wrong tomorrow if there's a piece of data that contradicts his theory. To quote one of my favorite scientiests Stephen Jay Gould, in science, 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional assent.' But the climate data is so overwhelming that it can be considered as fact.

Yes yes yes. It's an educated guess. We don't have a crystal clear picture. We know we are contributing to global warming but all we have are rough estimates.

[Bouncer]

Scrum my main point in bringing up climate change is that even with data that clear America is still split. Our President doesn't even acknowledge it. It's been politicized.

This is exactly what will happen with gun research. Call me pessimistic but it's a fact. It will be politicized and used against the other side whatever the results.

[Scrumhalf]

Yes yes yes. It's an educated guess. We don't have a crystal clear picture. We know we are contributing to global warming but all we have are rough estimates.

Ok, how do I put this.

Let me just be polite and say that you are incorrect.

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[Bouncer]

Ok, how do I put this.

Let me just be polite and say that you are incorrect.

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Yea alright, it's besides the point anyway. We can agree on climate change and the fact that humans have an impact on it. I brought it up for a reason which I explained above.

[Bouncer]

The total number of people killed in a mass shooting averages out to about 100 people on a bad year.

Total amount of people killed by a drunk driver each year averages out to roughly 15,000 people.

Where is the outrage scrum? Where are the studies? Why aren't you up in arms (pun ha) about drunk drivers?

This Texas shooting was a failure by the government to enforce laws that were already in place to prevent this guy from getting a gun.

[lipripper]

By the way, firearm deaths per 100,000 is exactly the same as motor vehicle deaths in the US. That's how big a public health concern firearm deaths are. Yet we choose to do nothing other than offer "thoughts and prayers." Think about how much science research has gone into and is going into reducing road deaths - safety features on cars, tire research, road engineering, lighting, snow/ice control, etc. That's what we need to be doing on the gun side as well.


Here are the stats (2014 data):



Here is the link to the data in case you want to dig further.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr65/nvsr65_04.pdf

And why aren't planned parent hood government funded abortions listed there? Oh...Wait...Because that number almost TRIPPLES PER YEAR. So...The Democrats fight to say the big bad gun kills too many. If their concern is innocents loosing their life.why do the fund such a program? Sorry...Too hyprocital for me. Yet they froth at the mouth to take lawful gun owners rights away....But your OK with this?

[chuckz28]

The U.S. Air Force didn’t report Texas church shooter Devin Kelley’s domestic violence conviction to the FBI -- even though it was required by the Pentagon -- leaving the door open for Kelley to buy weapons, officials said on Monday.

Kelley’s conviction wasn’t submitted to the FBI’s Criminal Justice Investigation Services Division for inclusion in the National Criminal Information Center database that is used to conduct background checks on would-be gun purchasers, Air Force spokesperson Ann Stefanek said.

The Holloman Air Force Base Office of Special Investigations -- the base where Kelley was stationed -- was supposed to enter his information into the database, according to a statement released Monday night by the Air Force.

At issue is the Lautenberg Amendment, enacted by Congress in 1996. The federal law was designed to prohibit people convicted of domestic violence from buying or possessing a firearm regardless of whether the crime was a felony or a misdemeanor.

The Air Force “has launched a review of how the Service handled the criminal records of former Airman” Kelley, Stefanek said in the statement. The statement also noted the Air Force will investigate all of its databases “to ensure records in other cases have been reported correctly.”

The Air Force said it's asked the Pentagon Inspector General to "review records and procedures across the Department of Defense."