Texas Church Shooting

[Turbo3000]

What about suicides? It would seem logical to at least study the data to see what can be done to reduce that number.

Provide a hypothesis that should be studied regarding gun violence (bullshit media term, violence is violence)

[lipripper]

Or lets say this..since a lawful scientific study will provide the data needed to fix the issue..This is about saving lives and apparently the government to pay for it. I suggest take away all federal funding for abortions except in cases of rape or incest. use that money for the study..there will be more then enough to pay for it! that way we can save lives in two ways..The left wing of the government will be the heros!

[Scrumhalf]

The total number of people killed in a mass shooting averages out to about 100 people on a bad year.

Total amount of people killed by a drunk driver each year averages out to roughly 15,000 people.

Where is the outrage scrum? Where are the studies? Why aren't you up in arms (pun ha) about drunk drivers?

This Texas shooting was a failure by the government to enforce laws that were already in place to prevent this guy from getting a gun.

A lot of the things we have today (seat belts, BAC limits, speed limits, road lighting strategies, etc) are a direct result of research performed on driving deaths. Can we do more? Of course, which is why driving related studies continue to exist.

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[Scrumhalf]

Or lets say this..since a lawful scientific study will provide the data needed to fix the issue..This is about saving lives and apparently the government to pay for it. I suggest take away all federal funding for abortions except in cases of rape or incest. use that money for the study..there will be more then enough to pay for it! that way we can save lives in two ways..The left wing of the government will be the heros!

Nice red herring, but there is no Federal funding for abortions. That restriction already exists.

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[Scrumhalf]

Provide a hypothesis that should be studied regarding gun violence (bullshit media term, violence is violence)

Certain specific kinds of warning signs may require an additional kind of cooling off period, since suicide impulses tend to have a short half life. If we knew precisely what they are, then there can be something targeted without inconveniencing everyone.

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[lipripper]

Nice red herring, but there is no Federal funding for abortions. That restriction already exists.

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planed parenthood does scrum

[lipripper]

Certain specific kinds of warning signs may require an additional kind of cooling off period, since suicide impulses tend to have a short half life. If we knew precisely what they are, then there can be something targeted without inconveniencing everyone.

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So are you saying since we don't know those answers..its ok to inconvenience everyone until we do? I hope not.

[Scrumhalf]

planed parenthood does scrum

Nope. They may provide services but laws already exist that say that they cannot use federal dollars to provide that service.

Regardless, I'm not sure why you are making this a us vs then issue. Is a scientific analysis of epidemiological data really a partisan thing?

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[Scrumhalf]

So are you saying since we don't know those answers..its ok to inconvenience everyone until we do? I hope not.

I'm not saying that. We know nothing now. Why don't we let the CDC do the research? That way, if there is something targeted that the science supports, we can do that INSTEAD of anything blanket. Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled, because if I was a responsible gun owner, I'd be most interested in ways to determine how to keep guns out of hands of those who would give me a bad name.

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[lipripper]

Really..then who gives funding for all the abortions from Planned parenthood...a government run program? please explain..

I'm sure its not private donations like the NRA is..

I don't have a problem with science, but science is and can be flawed like everything else in the world scrum..you have to admit that. data can be swayed..Men do it.. its been done to promote a cause. Just like laws are supposed to work..The Government imposed a law..this nut never should of gotten the guns..but the Government FAILED to uphold the law by not entering him into the data. PRIME example. Yet..we want more laws? The ones we have aren't enforced..look at Chicago..known felons back on the street after committing gun crimes...WHY?

[lipripper]

I'm not saying that. We know nothing now. Why don't we let the CDC do the research? That way, if there is something targeted that the science supports, we can do that INSTEAD of anything blanket. Frankly, I'm a bit puzzled, because if I was a responsible gun owner, I'd be most interested in ways to determine how to keep guns out of hands of those who would give me a bad name.

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there is a way scrum...ENFORCE existing laws to the maximum penalties..lets just try it for a while instead of letting them off easy..

[Scrumhalf]

there is a way scrum...ENFORCE existing laws to the maximum penalties..lets just try it for a while instead of letting them off easy..

I guess I don't understand why it's an either or thing. Yes, enforce existing laws, no question. But our explicit law to ban federal funding of gun violence research is a bit hypocritical.

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[Turbo3000]

A lot of the things we have today (seat belts, BAC limits, speed limits, road lighting strategies, etc) are a direct result of research performed on driving deaths. Can we do more? Of course, which is why driving related studies continue to exist.

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Drunk driving fatalities has been pretty steady since 2001, so really no strides have been made in studying people breaking laws. Drunk driving is too profitable to ever be dealt with.

The shooting was made possible due to current laws not being followed by the military and law enforcement.

Plenty of gun laws on the books. Too many alphabet agencies not following the rules. So again, fuck the government.

[Scrumhalf]

Drunk driving fatalities has been pretty steady since 2001, so really no strides have been made in studying people breaking laws. Drunk driving is too profitable to ever be dealt with.

The shooting was made possible due to current laws not being followed by the military and law enforcement.

I'm not suggesting that research would have prevented this incident. I'm talking about gun related injuries and deaths in general.

Our gun related deaths are WAY outside the norms of other Western democracies, even ones with large gun ownership like Finland. Shouldn't we be asking why, and seeing what we can do about it?

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[Bouncer]

A lot of the things we have today (seat belts, BAC limits, speed limits, road lighting strategies, etc) are a direct result of research performed on driving deaths. Can we do more? Of course, which is why driving related studies continue to exist.

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We have laws in place for guns as well scrum. If the law had worked in this Texas case he would not have been able to purchase those guns.