Hitler and Other Dictators View On Gun Rights

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"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subjugated races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjugated races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty."

Nazi Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, up to 20 million people who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

- Adolf Hitler 1933

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Soviet Era Gun Laws

In the early days of the USSR the Bolsheviks tried to confiscate all guns (particularly from peasants, who the Bolsheviks had contempt and fear of, particularly after the 1920-21 revolts) but this resulted in rather disastrous consequences and only further incensed the peasants against Moscow as rifles were vital for hunting and their livelihood. Eventually Lenin's realpolitik in the aftermath of the Civil War (which included the NEP) had the Soviets resigned themselves to allowing peasants to have hunting rifles. However, the Soviet leadership always was looking for a way to confiscate guns from the population, mostly due to fear of how it would influence a revolt.

As for Stalin, the NKVD undertook mass gun confiscation of the peasantry during Collectivization (and given such massive peasant resistance to it you can see why) and this was the period of the strictest gun ownership policies in Soviet history. That being said, outside of urban areas, collective farms, or regions that blacklisted by the NKVD/Stalin, hunting rifles were still fairly commonplace. In addition during WW2, Partisan operations included the NKVD spreading armaments to civilians in Soviet territory under German control, and these weapons were still heavily prevalent in these areas after the war.

Post-Stalin, gun ownership policies eased a bit but was strictly controlled in the cities. Rural Peasants, which existed until the very last days of the USSR, were allowed hunting rifles for their livelihood. The photos of children firing guns you see are probably from the Komsomol (the Communist youth league, basically the Soviet Boy Scouts with ideology) which included firearms training.

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.”
– Joseph Stalin

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. By 1987 that figure had risen to 61,911,000.

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This ladies and gentlemen is what our second amendment is all about. Our founding fathers were smart enough to know that a nation by the people and for the people will always need firearms to keep the balance of power in check.

Anyone that doesn't understand this doesn't understand the history of conquerors and dictators. It's easy to forget these things in a society of democracy and all the comforts and freedoms we have but democracy is fragile and it's not guaranteed to last.

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“The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. … They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results.”

– Benito Mussolini, address to the Italian Senate, 1931

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“All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party.”

– Mao Tze Tung, Nov 6 1938

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952 10,076,000 political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated in Kuomintang China, and by 1987 another 35,236,000 exterminations were carried out under the Communists.

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“I did not join the resistance movement to kill people, to kill the nation. Look at me now. Am I a savage person? My conscience is clear.”

– Pol Pot

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. Between 1975 and 1979, 2,035,000 “educated” people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

During the short four years of its rule in Cambodia, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge government murdered over 31 percent of the entire Cambodian population.

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“Armas para que? (“Guns, for what?”)”

A response to Cuban citizens who said the people might need to keep their guns, after Castro announced strict gun control in Cuba.

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Now we have the good guys.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”
– Thomas Jefferson

“To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.”
– George Mason

“The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.”
– Noah Webster

“That rifle on the wall of the labourer’s cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.”
– George Orwell

“If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun.”
– The Dalai Lama

“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
– Mohandas K. Gandhi

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To anyone who says "what about mass shootings in the modern era"...

I say we can not allow mass shootings aka domestic terrorism to change our way of life and erase the foundation upon which this country was built.

To any anti-gun turds reading this thread... Checkmate bitch.

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Great article on gun control.

http://reason.com/archives/2017/11/1...e-libertarians

[Mr I]

See the UK

Myth busted

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See the UK

Myth busted

Different culture. Sissified. Don't believe me. See the UK cop thread and how your police officers acted against a single man with a knife.

You said it yourself. London culture is unrecognizable compared to 15 years ago..

And I gaurentee you would gladly take a gun if I could freeze time and offer you one if someone was kicking in your door and armed.

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by the way mr i, see the gandhi quote a few posts up. the first thing Britain did to India was disarm them. it's about controlling the population. you're culture is just so used to being controlled that it's just normal everyday life for you. and IF an attacker with a gun ever comes after you, you are absolutly fucked and only then will the reality set in that maybe having a gun in that moment might be a good thing..