California Law Will Allow Illegals To Vote

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Well since the popular vote means shit and the electoral voting counts I don’t see any problem here.
California is a blue state. Doesn’t matter if you have a million voters or 5 million voters outcome will be the same.

I agree. Thats why I made my first point about voter turnouts. They had less voters turnout than florida, but get more electoral votes. Its BS if the population isnt even voting. I know they it wouldnt make a difference for cali, but I feel like voter turnout is more important than total population when determining electoral votes. I guess its all irrelevant anyways though because they dont have to listen to the popular vote of the state anyways.

[Bouncer]

Well since the popular vote means shit and the electoral voting counts I don’t see any problem here.
California is a blue state. Doesn’t matter if you have a million voters or 5 million voters outcome will be the same.

yea but it's more than just a vote for the President. It's about the vote for senators, represenatives etc.. they are cementing their base with like minded individuals to push an agenda via illegal means.

trust me, illegals that are given the right to vote will be very inspired to vote for anyone and anything that lets them stay here. this amounts to voter fraud and that cannot be allowed.

[Scrumhalf]

trust me, illegals that are given the right to vote will be very inspired to vote for anyone and anything that lets them stay here. this amounts to voter fraud and that cannot be allowed.

This is a theoretical bogeyman, there is zero evidence that there is some kind of systematic illegal voting going on. Despite guys like Kris Kobach making it his lifes' mission to search for it.

[Bouncer]

This is a theoretical bogeyman, there is zero evidence that there is some kind of systematic illegal voting going on. Despite guys like Kris Kobach making it his lifes' mission to search for it.

theoretical doesn't mean false. i'm sure you are aware that Albert Einstein, Steven Hawking, Feynman, and many other scientists were theoretical physicists. maybe you can remind me... did those guys ever get anything right?

are you seriously so naive as to believe that an illegal given the right to vote would not do so? Jesus scrum, you are so far left these days you literally cannot see the forest for the trees. where has your basic common sense gone?

[Scrumhalf]

theoretical doesn't mean false. i'm sure you are aware that both Albert Einstein, Steven Hawking, and many other scientists were theoretical physicists. maybe you can remind me... did those guys ever get anything right?

are seriously so naive as to believe that an illegal given the right to vote would not do so? Jesus scrum, you are so far left these days you literally cannot see the forest for the trees.

Why aren't you so upset about green card holders then? You are being illogical. they have driver's licenses and they have plenty of reasons to vote illegally too.

[Bouncer]

yes i'm the illogical one. California is sending out the message to anyone that makes it into California that they will be protected. they are inspiring and promoting people to break the law. they are then issuing drivers licenses to anyone who claims to be from this country without real proof.

your argument is that these people would never and could never do such a thing.

your intelligence counts for nothing when you are high as kite on political bullshit. you've always been smart but you used to have common sense. now you are just a talking head for the extreme left regardless of reality or common sense. your hate for Trump and the right makes you defensive on subjects that are indefensible.

[Scrumhalf]

Again, there is no evidence whatsoever that there is widespread voter fraud caused by illegal aliens.

You can conflating that with other things like sanctuary cities, whether illegal aliens should have licenses, etc.

But go on and keep labeling me as a leftist. Not sure what my political leanings have to do with anything. I am just pointing out the data to you and see choose to not see.

[BEAST]

California Law Will Allow Illegals To Vote

I agree with Bouncer on that. If I was an illegal I’d be voting for anyone that offers any kind of security. Whether it is health care, job or safety to the illegals in the state.

[Bouncer]

how can the data be there when the new law doesn't start until April 1st? think please. once again, your argument amounts to "these people would never do such a thing". lol. Common sense absolutely gone.

you've admitted and clearly stated you are proud to be extreme left. that tells me you have lost touch with reality. nothing good comes out of being extreme anything. it's very clear to me that you are no longer capable of seeing the forest for the trees. you can't sit back and look at all perspectives any longer. you have an extreme bias now and it's sad to see that you can't see it.

[Scrumhalf]

There is ZERO data in ever other state that there is some kind of illegal voting racket going on. That's what I keep pointing out.

Again, there is NO factual data to support your assertion that providing driver's licenses to illegal aliens will suddenly increase voter fraud.

I am not taking a position for or against allowing illegal aliens to get driver's licenses. I am simply pointing out that the leap to say that it will result in voter fraud does not jibe with the evidence.

[Bouncer]

There is ZERO data in ever other state that there is some kind of illegal voting racket going on. That's what I keep pointing out.

Again, there is NO factual data to support your assertion that providing driver's licenses to illegal aliens will suddenly increase voter fraud.

I am not taking a position for or against allowing illegal aliens to get driver's licenses. I am simply pointing out that the leap to say that it will result in voter fraud does not jibe with the evidence.

scrum you are ridiculous. what's happening in Cali hasn't been done before in this country. there has never been a situation where a state encouraged people from another country to break the law and promised them protection once they get here. there has never been a situation where that same state has told these people they can even have a license and vote as long as they say they are from here. these 2 things in combination has never happened in the history of this country.

i know it's hard for you to use common sense and say to yourself "hmm, maybe there is no data on this exact set of circumstances, maybe i should look at this in a different way."

but no, you can't do that because you are always right and there is no chance you are ever wrong because scrum buys into himself a little too much these days...

i'm telling you right now. politics has fucked your brain. you cannot view anything without extreme bias anymore.

[Scrumhalf]

there are several other states that allow undocumented people to have driver's licenses.

I am sorry you have decided that i am some kind of leftist extremist. It is unfortunate.

[Bouncer]

there are several other states that allow undocumented people to have driver's licenses.

I am sorry you have decided that i am some kind of leftist extremist. It is unfortunate.

read my post again. i specifically said "these exact set of circumstances". both encouraging people to come illegally by way of offering protection and then offering licenses. what's happening in cali is unique to those other states. considering the way things have been going in California it's hard not to see this as part of the plan. unless of course you can't look at things without leftist sunglasses.

[Bouncer]

Its a blue state anyway

was a strong red state up until 88. we voted for Bush. Mexicans have changed that. what California is doing now is simply trying to cement that forever. these are odd times. things can change quick. cali politicians understand that.

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Why aren't you so upset about green card holders then? You are being illogical. they have driver's licenses and they have plenty of reasons to vote illegally too.

A green card holder has gone thru the system and obtained the right to be here and do those things..I have no issue with people coming here and doing things the right way. That's why they do it the right way. To become a productive part of our society and hopefully better them selves. That sir is what America is about! The rest who don't..I say fuck um! they are NOT our responsibility and they are flatly a liability and a drain on our system. They need to be purged..