Two of the funniest clips you will see on gun control

[Bouncer]

Bouncer there are mental health issues in every country. I don't believe mental health is the issue. After our guns laws came in the rate of death by sucicide dropped by 74%.

guns were everywhere in America including AR-15's 25 years ago yet mass school shootings were pretty much unheard of. explain. don't deflect or change the subject, please address and think about what I just said.

keep in mind there were LESS gun laws in America back then...

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guns were everywhere in America including AR-15's 25 years ago yet mass school shootings were pretty much unheard of. explain. don't deflect or change the subject, please address and think about what I just said.

keep in mind there were LESS gun laws in America back then...

Yes, since 2011 your mass shootings have tripled. I acknowledge that and I still believe that making weapons harder to access for the average nut job can only be of benefit to the mass shooting epidemic in your country.

Now I have addressed what you have asked me to. Why don't you extend the same courtesy and address my point above re our suicide rating dropping by 74%.

Also still waiting to hear your comments on the deaths involving guns and toddlers. All those stats are easily available online.

I actually find this really interesting hearing your opinions on this because in our country the majority has the extreme opposite view.

I'm not suggesting anyone is right or wrong. I'm just interested in an informed debate without any bullshit. Not "fuk you you don't understand our country". Let's leave that shit out of it.

Interested in stats and real unbiased info.

[Bouncer]

No no no, you haven't addressed anything.

All the same guns were available, and there were LESS gun laws back then.

I need you to explain how it's now the guns fault when it wasn't back then. Admit that this is some kind of recent mental health problem and we can have a real conversation.

And I have no idea what your talking about when you say toddlers are shooting each other up.

[redback]

No no no, you haven't addressed anything.

All the same guns were available, and there were LESS gun laws back then.

I need you to explain how it's now the guns fault when it wasn't back then. Admit that this is some kind of recent mental health problem and we can have a real conversation.

And I have no idea what your talking about when you say toddlers are shooting each other up.

Well if you want to play like that bouncer, I need you to explain to me that if it is a mental health issue why is one toddler a week being shot by a gun? (you have now seen the other post)

That has absolutely nothing to do with mental health. A toddler should not have access to a gun period.

[Bouncer]

Well if you want to play like that bouncer, I need you to explain to me that if it is a mental health issue why is one toddler a week being shot by a gun? (you have now seen the other post)

That has absolutely nothing to do with mental health. A toddler should not have access to a gun period.

Mental health of the parent and lack of responsibility. Guns are just as accessable as they were 25 years ago yet this issue was not happening. This is a break down of society. The object itself (gun) is exactly the same as it was 25 years ago when all this was unheard of.

Now let's get back to answering my common sense question with an actual answer please.

[redback]

Its carried over to the other thread might as well just discuss it there. Same points are mentioned. I don't believe it is mental health.

[redback]

Just let me clarify something..

Obviously if you carry out a mass shooting you likely have mental heath issues. That is clear and not really up for debate.

Now combine mental health issues with easy gun access. There is the problem.

So do we agree on that point?

Now we are talking about a solution right?

So if we were to focus entirely on mental health and totally forget gun reform, what would that actually look like?

[Bouncer]

Just let me clarify something..

Obviously if you carry out a mass shooting you likely have mental heath issues. That is clear and not really up for debate.

Now combine mental health issues with easy gun access. There is the problem.

So do we agree on that point?

Now we are talking about a solution right?

So if we were to focus entirely on mental health and totally forget gun reform, what would that actually look like?

Hard to say what that would look like. It's certainly a complex issue.

But as I've stated before. Your rights as a safe and responsible car owner should not be taken away based on the fact that there are a staggering amount of death and serious accidents every single day across the globe. I firmly believe that you as a car owner should not have your freedoms and rights taken away because of a massive drunk driving problem or people looking at their cell phones while driving problem.

I look at our gun rights and freedoms exactly the same way. There are always going to be those who abuse those freedoms. Their actions should not mean everyone loses their rights and freedoms. That's exactly what the American ideal is about.

You have to understand the history and culture bro. You have to understand our nations foundation is built on firearms. We took our independence with firearms, for better or worse we wiped out the Native Americans with firearms and went on to become the most powerful nation the world has ever seen. Our founding fathers were not stupid men. Their ideals is what made us who we are. These clearly brilliant men thought firearms were so important that they chose to list them only second behind the freedom of speech in our bill of rights.

[Chadd77]

Well if you want to play like that bouncer, I need you to explain to me that if it is a mental health issue why is one toddler a week being shot by a gun? (you have now seen the other post)

That has absolutely nothing to do with mental health. A toddler should not have access to a gun period.

So why haven't you answered B's question?

And what are you trying to solve? The total number of toddlers killed? If so let's discuss that. How will banning "assault rifles" help keep toddlers safe? If THAT is your focus I'd love to see very strict laws that gun owners with children must store their guns in a locked safe.

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So why haven't you answered B's question?

And what are you trying to solve? The total number of toddlers killed? If so let's discuss that. How will banning "assault rifles" help keep toddlers safe? If THAT is your focus I'd love to see very strict laws that gun owners with children must store their guns in a locked safe.

Chadd. B is trying to get me to admit that the problem is 100% mental health. I have already explained that I believe mental health combined with easy gun access is the problem. You can read that above yes?

I also have asked for opinions on how our suicide rate dropped by 74% and all homicides and crime rates dropped but nobody seems to want to talk about that. Why is that?

You ask what i'm trying to solve. Clearly I am not in the position to SOLVE anything. I am trying to understand the general attitudes and reasoning. I am also hoping that people will take on board the positive impact gun reform had over here.

I don't believe I have made comments on banning just assault rifles. I think you are making an assumption there. The toddler deaths are only part of the issue.

What I would like to see, but am also not naive enough to believe it will happen anytime soon, is the same gun reform we had here. I believe it works. I believe that if it were implemented over there you would not see these high numbers of toddler deaths or mass shootings.

So far the argument here has been that the problem is not the tool but mental health. Maybe that is true. If it is true then what do you do about it? If it comes down to the problem being either mental health or "the tool", isn't fixing the tool option much easier? Or is your answer to do nothing at all? Surely you would agree that something has to be done?

[Chadd77]

What I would like to see, but am also not naive enough to believe it will happen anytime soon, is the same gun reform we had here. I believe it works. I believe that if it were implemented over there you would not see these high numbers of toddler deaths or mass shootings.

And that extremist liberal thinking is why the NRA exists. That is not a common sense gun law. Trying to compare your country to ours is ludicrous.

And no you didn't really answer B's question. I don't think he's trying to get you to say it's a mental health issue. But if that's what you think part of the reason is then why? Why now more than ever do we seem to have a mental health problem? People 20 years ago didn't have mental health issues? I'm sure they did. I think it's deeper than that.

[Bouncer]

isn't fixing the tool option much easier? Or is your answer to do nothing at all? Surely you would agree that something has to be done?

You want to understand our way of thinking? Here it is. Crystal clear you pussified fuck.

When a drunk driver gets into a Corvette, that can easily violate the speed limit several times over, and kills a family in a minivan, do you blame the alcohol? Do you blame the car that’s capable of breaking all posted speed limits? Or do you blame the driver of the car? Do you call for prohibition on alcohol? Do you demand Chevy stop making the Corvette? Of course not. You always blame the driver.

When a terrorist blows himself up in a crowded market do you blame the bomb, or do you blame the terrorist?

When a terrorist rents a truck and drives it over a crowd of people, do you blame rental trucks or do you blame the terrorist driving it?

In the case of the Florida shooter, why aren’t people blaming the FBI who had multiple reports of this mans actions and threatening statements and failed to investigate? Why don’t they blame the school who prohibited him from having a backpack on campus because he was known to be mentally unstable? Why don't people blame the police who had been called to his house 39 times in 4 years? This was a massive failure of the system to detect a clear threat yet you are worried about the fucking tool used.

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And yet still no comments on the Australian gun reform stats. Just "your country doesn't compare to ours". Explain the differences then. It's crime on a much smaller scale that's about it.

Not one mass shooting since 1996.

Bouncer it's not about being "pussified", far from it. I don't walk around pissing my pants so scared I need to carry a gun like you guys. If you pulled a gun on me I would slap you in the face and stick it up your ass!

In all seriousness it's not even about the guns, more so that noone wants to make ANY kind of change or acknowledge there is a problem apart from the new generation of kids who are living through it. They are the ones you should be thinking about.

[Bouncer]

And yet still no comments on the Australian gun reform stats. Just "your country doesn't compare to ours". Explain the differences then. It's crime on a much smaller scale that's about it.

Not one mass shooting since 1996.

Bouncer it's not about being "pussified", far from it. I don't walk around pissing my pants so scared I need to carry a gun like you guys. If you pulled a gun on me I would slap you in the face and stick it up your ass!

In all seriousness it's not even about the guns, more so that noone wants to make ANY kind of change or acknowledge there is a problem apart from the new generation of kids who are living through it. They are the ones you should be thinking about.

false false and false.

we are ALL for strict enforcement of the laws on the books. we are all for stronger background checks. we are all for not allowing nuts access to firearms.

in this case the shooter literally called the police himself and cried out for help and talked about being bullied literally a month before the shooting. We know the cops had been called to his house 39 times in 4 years. We know the "security guard" at the school was a coward and only protected himself. We know the FBI failed to act on mulitple warnings about this kid. We know the school itself did not allow him on campus with a book bag because he was known to threaten people with weapons.

This was a massive failure of the system to prevent this.

And yes I have explained in crystal clear detail why you cannot compare Australia to America. If you can't understand the many reasons I listed of why the countries can't be compared well I'm sorry you have poor reading comprehension. The size difference of our countries is just 1 of the MANY reason I listed. Feel free to go back and read very slowly if that's what you need to do.

[lipripper]

The anti gun crowd has to be one of the most ignorant groups of people I've ever encountered that feel passionately about a particular subject yet understand almost nothing about the very subject they feel so passionate about. Lmao

It's all emotional

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