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Shall we ban bow and arrows? I remember bringing arrowheads to class in elementary school for show and tell.
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Serious Question: What is the purpose of the NRA?
If the 2nd Amendment Protects our rights to have guns, then why exactly do we need the NRA funneling money from Gun Manufacturers to Politicians? Isn't this just a case of, "Follow the Money"?Comment
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As Trump Talks New Gun Measures, Gun Owners Talk 'Betrayal'
As President Donald Trump talked this week about banning "bump stocks" and curbing young people's access to guns, the gun owners and advocates who helped propel his political rise talked about desertion and betrayal.
Trump's flirtation with a set of modest gun control measures drew swift condemnation from gun groups, hunters and sportsmen who banked on the president to be a stalwart opponent to any new gun restrictions. In his pledge to make schools safer and curb gun violence after the massacre at a Florida high school, gun advocates see a weakening resolve from the man they voted for in droves and spent millions to elect.
"Out in the firearms community there is a great feeling of betrayal and abandonment, because of the support he was given in his campaign for president," Tony Fabian, president of the Colorado Sports Shooting Association, said Friday.
Gun Owners of America issued an alert earlier this week urging its 1.5 million members to call the White House and "Tell Trump to OPPOSE All Gun Control!" The organization said anti-gun activists aided by congressional Democrats are trying to convince the president he should "support their disastrous gun control efforts," the message said. "And sadly, it may be working."
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/p...475038033.htmlComment
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lol. you act like companies and organizations giving money to politicians on either side of the isle to push an agenda or special interest is a new concept and exclusive to the NRA.Originally posted by Keiser View Post
Nancy Pelosi, Feinstein, and Hilary have all admitted the end goal is to get rid of guns period if they had their way. An amendment can be repealed, it's not an absolute. The NRA is there to prevent that as best they can. It's also a profitable business obviously.Comment
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Just so everyone knows... the NRA is not right or left leaning. They are straight down the middle. Just wanted to clear that up for everyone.Comment
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I'm simply asking the question, for some deeper conversation into the true purpose of the NRA if we are protected by the 2nd Amendment and the only way to pass an amendment is to "vote" for it, the people still have the power. I'm not sure the NRA is necessary. And that goes with any company/organization giving money to politicians. I don't think I'm OK with that. Shouldn't be pay for play.Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
And I'm so glad you didn't put Obama in your above sentence since he's on record saying many times he believes in the 2nd Amendment, which is why Feinstein despised Obama.
I'm not sure I've ever heard Hillary say she wants to do away with the 2nd Amendment, but you may know better than me on that one.Comment
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Did a bit of searching, it appears Hillary also supported the 2nd Amendment:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.c632eb9350f7
In any case, Ms. Clinton does not appear to be interested in pressing a radical re-interpretation of the Second Amendment. “Gun ownership is part of the fabric of many law-abiding communities,” her fact sheet on gun policy declares. She has endorsed a balance between upholding Americans’ constitutionally protected access to firearms and enacting rudimentary safety measures.
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https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/polit...ent/index.html
"I think what the court said about there being an individual right is in line with constitutional thinking," Clinton said about two weeks ago on "Fox News Sunday," affirming individual gun rights.
"I'm not looking to repeal the Second Amendment. I'm not looking to take people's guns away," she said. "But I am looking for more support for the reasonable efforts that need to be undertaken to keep guns out of the wrong hands."Comment
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The Clintons are very anti 2nd amendment bro. Look up the Clinton 94-04 "assult weapons ban". A ban based on how a weapon looks. Lol. It didn't apply to other guns that looked like a hunting rifle instead of a "weapon of war" yet was still semi auto with the same round capacity etc..Comment
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Yeah I read about that, but how can that be attributed to Hillary Clinton? When she campaigned, she specifically said she supports the 2nd Amendment. Supporting a ban of "Bump Stocks" or "Assault Weapons" (which is a dumb term btw) doesn't mean you don't support the 2nd Amendment. To me, not supporting the 2nd Amendment would be someone like Feinstein who wants to ban ALL guns.Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
Here is more about the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban from Wikipedia, sure it appears Bill Clinton supported it, but so did Ronald Reagan and look who proposed it. Feinstein!!!:
In November 1993, the proposed legislation passed the U.S. Senate. The bill's author, Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and other advocates said that it was a weakened version of the original proposal.[11] In May 1994, former presidents Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, and Ronald Reagan, wrote to the U.S. House of Representatives in support of banning "semi-automatic assault guns". They cited a 1993 CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll that found 77 percent of Americans supported a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of such weapons.[12]
read more:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federa...lt_Weapons_Ban
Again, Fucking Ronald Regan supported this, so it's not exactly true to blame Bill Clinton for this. Keep in mind that Regan was also the one who banned open carry in California when he was governor.
The Gun issue is not a Left vs Right issue. I know so many Pro-Gun democrats.Comment
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reagan was def anti gun. you are right about that.
Hillary though bro. shes a snake. she isn't a friend of guns lets put it that way.Comment
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the only guns she wants around her are that of her security detail. her and her rich left friends do not think us commoners deserve the same protections.Originally posted by Keiser View Post
that semi auto glock you have she would take away in a second if she could. she may allow the revolvers.. they would probably fit her interpretation of what the 2nd amendment should allow.Comment
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Broward County FL Sheriff Israel Responds to Parkland Shooting Critics: ‘I’ve Given Amazing Leadership’
Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Broward County, FL Sheriff Scott Israel fielded questions from show host Jake Tapper about his department’s actions leading up to and during the Parkland school shooting.
Israel said he had provided “amazing leadership” as the head of that agency.
Partial transcript as follows:
TAPPER: Are you really not taking any responsibility for the multiple red flags that were brought to the attention of the Broward Sheriff’s office about this shooter before this incident, whether it was people near him, close to him calling the police?
ISRAEL: I can only take responsibility for what I knew about. I exercised my due diligence. I’ve given amazing leadership to this agency.
TAPPER: Amazing leadership?
ISRAEL: Yes, Jake. There’s a lot of things we’ve done throughout this — this is — you don’t measure a person’s leadership by a deputy not going in to — these deputies received the training they needed.
TAPPER: Maybe you measure somebody’s leadership by whether or not they protect the community. You’ve listed 23 incidents before the shooting involving the shooter, and still, nothing was done to keep guns out of his hands, to make sure that the school was protected, to make sure you were keeping an eye on him — I don’t understand how you can sit there and claim amazing leadership?
ISRAEL: Jake, on 16 of those cases our deputies did everything right. Our deputies have done amazing things. We’ve taken this — the five years I’ve been sheriff, we’ve taken the Broward Sheriff’s Office to a new level. I’ve worked with some of the bravest people I’ve ever met. One person at this point, one person didn’t do what he should have done. It’s horrific. The victims here — the families, I pray for them every night. it makes me sick to my stomach that we had a deputy that didn’t go in because I know if I was there if I was on the wall, I would have been the first in along with so many of the other people.Comment
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Samuel L. Jackson has torn apart President Donald Trump’s idea to arm some teachers in a bid to prevent school shootings.
The “Pulp Fiction” star joined the growing chorus of critics of the plan with this tweet on Friday:
@SamuelLJackson
Can someone that’s been in a Gunfight tell that Muthafukka that’s Never been in a Gunfight, the flaws of his Arm The Teachers plan??!!
His post has gone viral.
Trump first touted the idea of arming 20 percent of teaching staff at schools during a “listening session” last week at the White House that included students and parents personally affected by the Feb. 14 mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida.
The proposal has sparked an avalanche of criticism, with many teachers using social media to speak out against it. Lily Eskelsen García, the president of the National Education Association, told Education Week that solutions are needed to “keep guns out of the hands of those who want to use them to massacre innocent children and educators.”
“Arming teachers does nothing to prevent that,” she said.Comment
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Combat veterans push for gun reform: ‘This isn’t right’
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/comb...right-1.513590
WASHINGTON — Not long ago, Army veteran Dennis Magnasco would respond with frustration when he saw his more liberal friends publicly call for gun reform. They weren’t experts on the weapons that they wanted banned, he thought. They didn’t understand the nuances.
That all changed Oct. 1, 2017, when a shooter used semi-automatic rifles modified with bump-fire stocks to kill 58 people at a music festival in Las Vegas. Magnasco listened to audio of the shooting. The sound of the gunfire transported him back to his time as a combat medic. It took him back to Afghanistan.
“It shook me to my core because it sounded like combat,” Magnasco said. “I had this feeling of, ‘This isn’t right.’ ”
When 17 students and teachers were killed Feb. 14 at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., by a 19-year-old using an AR-15 assault-style rifle, Magnasco spoke out.
He said he’s a combat veteran, a gun owner and a staunch supporter of the Second Amendment. And he’s ready for gun reform.
“I recognize the power of firearms. I’ve seen what they can do,” Magnasco said. “And it makes me sick to know that we have high school kids seeing this in their schools.”
Magnasco tweeted a message to that effect Feb. 18, along with the hashtag #VetsForGunReform and a photo of himself and other soldiers in Afghanistan toting M4 carbine rifles.
His tweet and similar messages shared by veterans during the past week launched a movement that spread from Twitter into commentary in the Washington Post, the New York Times and other publications. One congressman from Florida, Brian Mast — a Republican and combat veteran who lost both legs from a roadside bomb in Kandahar — put out a call to ban future sales of assault rifles, asserting he didn’t fear becoming a “political casualty.”
By Friday, a loose group of veterans formed — some staffers for elected officials, some policymakers and some advocates. They’re urging Congress to reform the access to and sale of firearms, from fixing and expanding background checks to limiting the style of guns sold.
“A lot of us have always been passionate about this issue,” said Andrea Goldstein, a former Navy lieutenant who served with expeditionary forces in multiple war zones. “Some of us are combat veterans. Some of us have seen what firearms can do to people.”
Goldstein served as a troop commander and had a role integrating women into previously all-male units. She now studies gender analysis and human security at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy.
“We want to make our expertise and position very clear, hoping that we can help inform decision-makers,” Goldstein said. “Ultimately, lawmakers have decisions to make, and we hope they make decisions that keep our children safe.”
President Donald Trump held a listening session Wednesday with students and parents of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, where he introduced his idea to arm some of the country’s teachers with concealed weapons to fortify schools against future mass killings.
Magnasco described the idea as “preposterous.” Goldstein called it “absurd.”
Servicemembers go through multiple levels of training on firearms, Goldstein said, including marksmanship, proper safety and storage, and urban-attack-scenario training.
“Teachers should be teaching, not out on the rifle range,” she said. “And I absolutely reject the idea that increasing guns in our schools is going to solve the problem.”
Peter Lucier, a former Marine Corps infantry rifleman, didn’t want to dignify the idea with a response.
“Every time we debunk it, we’re giving it credence as a real policy. I don’t think it’s a real policy,” he said. “It’s not a solution. It’s ridiculous on its face, for a lot of different reasons.”
Lucier first felt compelled to speak about gun reform after the Orlando nightclub shooting in the summer of 2016, when a lone shooter, armed with a pistol and a semi-automatic rifle, killed 49 people.
As a Marine, Lucier led training on M4s and MK-12 special-purpose rifles. He felt especially equipped to explain why access to certain weapons should be restricted.
“Those weapons were extensions of me. I know everything about them and how to use them,” Lucier said. “So, if we’re going to talk about these weapons, who better to than the people who lived and died by them?”
At the time, he teamed up with other veterans and began sending emails to the people who could effect change, but the outcry surrounding the Orlando killings eventually fizzled — and so did their efforts.
Robert Bateman — a military historian, 25-year Army veteran and former Georgetown University professor — first spoke out on the issue in 2013, in an Esquire Magazine post titled, “It’s Time We Talk About Guns.” He acknowledges his stance on guns is more extreme than other veterans who are calling for gun reform. Bateman thinks all automatic and semi-automatic handguns and rifles should be banned.
After the article, he received thousands of pieces of hate mail and more than a dozen death threats.
He and Lucier said the response to the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting — and the subsequent calls for gun reform — feels different.
“I’m seeing huge amounts of support,” Bateman said.
Students from Stoneman Douglas have organized, emerging as powerful advocates for gun-control laws. They’re speaking at rallies and planning a gun-control event in Washington next month. They questioned the National Rifle Association and Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., on national television Wednesday.
Their outspokenness could be generating some results. On Friday, companies began cutting ties with the NRA after consumers who were angry with the powerful gun lobby urged a boycott. And Trump said he supports limiting the purchase of assault rifles to people who are 21 and older — a stance that defies the NRA.
As the students continue to advocate for legislative change, veterans can amplify their message and can help protect against attempts to discredit them, Lucier said. Soon after the students began speaking out, conspiracies about their being “crisis actors” quickly spread and went viral online, pushed by conspiracy theorists who claim mass shootings are staged to achieve political goals.
“If America sees veterans standing alongside these kids saying, ‘Listen to them,’ that lends weight and a little bit of a shield,” Lucier said.
Working together, Lucier and other veterans involved in #VetsForGunReform hope — this time — that the response doesn’t fizzle.
“This core group of kids is displaying courage and determination — just relentlessly pursuing the issue. The way they’ve spoken up and spoken out does seem different,” Lucier said. “I’m eternally hopeful that we’re going to find solutions to the violence that plagues this country, and every time something like this happens, I’m hopeful again. And that’s the best I can do.”Comment
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