Good read on the 2nd...

[Keiser]

Keiser and Scrum I have a basic question i want you to answer honestly.

if gun owners agree to turn over all their "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines what happens when the next school shooting takes place? do you guys honestly believe the gun grabbers wont be back for more? do you think they will say "well the gun owners of america were pretty fair last time so we wont ask to take anything else from them"?

guys be honest with yourself. this is a long term game of slowly killing the second amendment by a thousand paper cuts.

I honestly don’t believe the gun grabbers will be back for more. And if they do they will be heavily outnumbered and will not get anywhere. I noticed you posted about the liberal gun owners community. It’s larger than you think and majority is pro 2nd amendment but support some control like this.

You seemed to be OK with the bump stock ban. Why was that not death by 30k cuts? Why is a full automatic ban not death by 30k cuts?

[Bouncer]

I honestly don’t believe the gun grabbers will be back for more. And if they do they will be heavily outnumbered and will not get anywhere. I noticed you posted about the liberal gun owners community. It’s larger than you think and majority is pro 2nd amendment but support some control like this.

You seemed to be OK with the bump stock ban. Why was that not death by 30k cuts? Why is a full automatic ban not death by 30k cuts?

No shit talk here bro but it's obvious you either don't understand the history of gun legislation in America or you just choose to ignore it.

You mentioned liberal gun owners. I suggest you visit the liberal gun owners section of reddit and see what they are talking about in almost every thread. There has been a barrage of legislation proposals in every single state. Many of these proposals involve flat out confiscation without compensation for law abiding citizens who bought the firearm legally and have committed no crime. Some of these proposals actually get passed and it turns a law abiding citizen into a criminal overnight. A town in Illinois just passed a law yesterday making people turn in their "assault rifles" or face up to a $1000 fine PER DAY! Remember, this applies to everyone in the town. Not just criminals. This applies to people who have done everything by the book and have committed no crime whatsoever. This kind of thing is happening state by state. The left is throwing shit at the wall and hoping something sticks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburb...412-story.html

Note that retired police officers don't have to comply with the new law in that town. What a joke. Didn't want to piss of the cops in the town but fuck the people.

[lipripper]

yea..like I would turn my shit in...LOLO

[lipripper]

lets see how bad they want them when they start having a fucking shoot out each time they try to collect them...its coming.... watch

[Keiser]

Bouncer and Lip,

Was banning the sale of bump stocks and fully automatic weapons death by 30k cuts? Or is this something you're OK with? What about grenades. Should we be able to go to the gun store and buy a grenade? It sounds like you guys are OK with drawing the line somewhere. True or am I off base here?

[Keiser]

No shit talk here bro but it's obvious you either don't understand the history of gun legislation in America or you just choose to ignore it.

You may be right, and I may be seriously missing something here. Please educate me. Serious question, no sarcasm, no joking:

When in American history has a law abiding citizen, who purchased their gun legally had to "turn it it" or had someone come to their home and "confiscate" it.

Please give me all examples of when this has happened during the short history of our great country.

[chuckz28]

Katrina. They were going house to house and rounding up all legal firearms. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...civilians.html

[Keiser]

Katrina. They were going house to house and rounding up all legal firearms. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2005/09/0...civilians.html

Based on what gun control laws?

[chuckz28]

The whim of City officials.

[Keiser]

The whim of City officials.

Good to learn about that incident as I did not know about it at all. Interesting, but this does not really classify with what bouncer is talking about, "The American History of Gun Legislation" and how Naive I am about it.

If anything this just tells me you don't need to pass any legislation at all if you can just decide on a whim to start confiscating guns with no legislation in place at all. (But of course it was also one of the worst national disasters in history, so it's kind of an outlier).

[Bouncer]

You may be right, and I may be seriously missing something here. Please educate me. Serious question, no sarcasm, no joking:

When in American history has a law abiding citizen, who purchased their gun legally had to "turn it it" or had someone come to their home and "confiscate" it.

Please give me all examples of when this has happened during the short history of our great country.

Did you not read the rest of my post. It's happening right now. I gave you a link.

[Keiser]

Did you not read the rest of my post. It's happening right now. I gave you a link.

If it's happening right now, that's not "History". I want you to educate me on this statement you made below and tell me what is it I don't understand about the history of gun legislation in America, and why I'm Naive about it?

Please elaborate on this statement, and educate me:

it's obvious you either don't understand the history of gun legislation in America or you just choose to ignore it.

[Bouncer]

I'm talking about the push of more and more gun control. It's been going on for a very long time. The end game being literal gun confiscation which is exactly what we are seeing now. You don't seem to believe that is the end game. All you need to do is look at the progression of gun laws over the last 30 years to see the reality. It's not "common sense laws". It's make up terms like "assult weapon" to slowly change the minds of the public over time to associate a rifle with "evil". It's working. People who know nothing about guns constantly repeat these terms that have negative connotations. Call it a conspiracy all you want. Feinstein and Pelosi have taken very strong stances against the 2nd amendment and what it actually means time and time again. They don't even try to hide it.

[Keiser]

I'm talking about the push of more and more gun control. It's been going on for a very long time. The end game being literal gun confiscation which is exactly what we are seeing now. You don't seem to believe that is the end game. All you need to do is look at the progression of gun laws over the last 30 years to see the reality. It's not "common sense laws". It's make up terms like "assult weapon" to slowly change the minds of the public over time to associate a rifle with "evil". It's working. People who know nothing about guns constantly repeat these terms that have negative connotations. Call it a conspiracy all you want. Feinstein and Pelosi have taken very strong stances against the 2nd amendment and what it actually means time and time again. They don't even try to hide it.

This is an acceptable answer. Thank You.

But, do you really see a scenario where the govt is knocking on people's doors and confiscating their weapons? That's a crazy stretch to me and seems unrealistic EVEN IF they manage to ban semi-auto "assault rifles" and "high capacity" magazines. Are they knocking on doors today and taking bump stocks from people? This is my point, you guys seem to be going extreme fear mongering here.

[Bouncer]

This is an acceptable answer. Thank You.

But, do you really see a scenario where the govt is knocking on people's doors and confiscating their weapons? That's a crazy stretch to me and seems unrealistic EVEN IF they manage to ban semi-auto "assault rifles" and "high capacity" magazines. Are they knocking on doors today and taking bump stocks from people? This is my point, you guys seem to be going extreme fear mongering here.

Maybe not on the federal level but on the state level yes. California and New York I can definitely see it happening.

Those people in Deerfield are going to be fined $1000 per day. What happens when they don't pay? This is very serious and completely unconstitutional. They bought something 100% legally and now they must turn it in without compensation or else..