Good read on the 2nd...

[Keiser]

We've had this exact conversation in literally dozeny of threads. I can't be any more clear on my stance. If you missed my stance in the dozens of threads I've discussed it then that's too bad.

All I remember you saying was that you were OK with the legislation on bump stocks. I guess that's where you draw the line and anything else is death by 30k cuts?

Fine, but that still doesn't make much sense to me. I would think banning ANYTHING firearm related would be defined as death by 30k cuts from your stance.

We have the 2nd amendment. We are protected by it. Nobody is going to come to your door and confiscate your weapons. There may be a day when you can't buy certain things at the store, but nobody is coming and taking your guns. Won't happen in your lifetime. This is America, not Australia.

[Bouncer]

Where is your income coming from? You aren't working. I'm the only one here who stands up to you and calls you out on your bullshit. It's always been this way. And it always happens after you go personal after an innocent debate on a topic. Just like this one. You've done it to Scrum too and he's too nice/kind to call you out on it.

Keiser I got news for ya bro. Nobody likes you. You aren't standing with the people against me. The people all think your a fucken wackadoodle.

I take nothing from the government. That's all you need to know. I did that for 1 year and I was an open book about it.

[Bouncer]

All I remember you saying was that you were OK with the legislation on bump stocks. I guess that's where you draw the line and anything else is death by 30k cuts?

Fine, but that still doesn't make much sense to me. I would think banning ANYTHING firearm related would be defined as death by 30k cuts from your stance.

We have the 2nd amendment. We are protected by it. Nobody is going to come to your door and confiscate your weapons. There may be a day when you can't buy certain things at the store, but nobody is coming and taking your guns. Won't happen in your lifetime. This is America, not Australia.

What the fuck do you think is happening in Deerfield? That's a round about way of gun confiscation you stupid shit.

[chuckz28]

You guys are so completely irrational, and honestly lack intelligence from what I can see. All I've done is ask you a simple question which you haven't been able to answer. Where do you draw the line? Your reading comprehension skills are so poor that you actually contrive some artificial view about where I personally draw the line, which neither of you have asked nor have I stated. My grenade example is outstanding because you both know that isn't death by 30k cuts and neither was banning fully auto and bump stocks. You both have neglected that.

I personally draw the line at fully auto and I'm OK with the bump stock ban. I don't support anything further than that.

Bouncer, I'm sarcastic and joke a lot, but I"m being serious here. I've kinda known you since like 2003 and I honestly used to think you were intelligent. I no longer believe this. You have no education and your reading comprehension is abysmal. You should seriously work on it.

Those who lack the skills necessary to engage in a debate resort to attacks on intelligence and make feeble attempts to delegitimize the counter argument.

Nobody is talking about adding grenades or explosives to rights. The debate is about removing what is already legal. Stick to that.

[Keiser]

Those who lack the skills necessary to engage in a debate resort to attacks on intelligence and make feeble attempts to delegitimize the counter argument.

Nobody is talking about adding grenades or explosives to rights. The debate is about removing what is already legal. Stick to that.

I don't support any further legislation. I'm OK with the bump stock and fully auto ban, but I want to know why the fully auto ban is not death by 30k cuts.

[Keiser]

What the fuck do you think is happening in Deerfield? That's a round about way of gun confiscation you stupid shit.

The little village of deerfield won't be able to uphold this. It's not a state or federal law and it's unconstitutional. It will get reversed/overturned. This is not true legislation, by definition.

[Keiser]

you stupid shit.

Chuck, I'm guess you won't call bouncer out for this, but you'll go after me for questioning his intelligence and reading comprehension skills?

[Bouncer]

I don't support any further legislation. I'm OK with the bump stock and fully auto ban, but I want to know why the fully auto ban is not death by 30k cuts.

It actually is one of the paper cuts if you look at it from the perspective of rights we once had vs what has led up to a situation like Deerfield. If you had told people just 5 years ago that a situation like Deerfield would happen in 2018 they would have said "no fucking way this is America". But events transpire and politicians play games and here we are..

Does that mean I advocate full auto and grenades for any nut that walks through the door.. Absolutely not.

[Bouncer]

Chuck, I'm guess you won't call bouncer out for this, but you'll go after me for questioning his intelligence and reading comprehension skills?

Shutup faggot.

[Bouncer]

The little village of deerfield won't be able to uphold this. It's not a state or federal law and it's unconstitutional. It will get reversed/overturned. This is not true legislation, by definition.

As of right now it's in effect. You cannot discount this because it doesn't go along with the point you are so desperately trying to make.

[chuckz28]

Well since a stock isn't a firearm it isn't protected. As for full auto you can get them legally it's just a lot of work to get. The system in place is adequate, however the problem I have with that is that it is the sheriffs discretion on whether he wants to sign the paperwork or not. I'd say if all criteria is met then he must sign it so long as the state has preemtion laws prohibiting local law from having stricter measures than state law. If the state does not have preemtion then the sherriff should not have to sign the paperwork to comply with local ordinance.

Everything else should stay as it is. No new legislation on so called assault rifles or high capacity magazines.

[Bouncer]

Well since a stock isn't a firearm it isn't protected. As for full auto you can get them legally it's just a lot of work to get. The system in place is adequate, however the problem I have with that is that it is the sheriffs discretion on whether he wants to sign the paperwork or not. I'd say if all criteria is met then he must sign it so long as the state has preemtion laws prohibiting local law from having stricter measures than state law. If the state does not have preemtion then the sherriff should not have to sign the paperwork to comply with local ordinance.

Everything else should stay as it is. No new legislation on so called assault rifles or high capacity magazines.

Full auto isn't just a lot of paperwork. It's like $25k as well. Lol

[chuckz28]

Yeah they ain't cheap. I don't know anyone personally that owns any but I do know guys with legal suppressors and SBRs.

[Bouncer]

Full auto requires a manufacturer license, LE license, or some other kind of super expensive crazy priced tax stamps that have to be backed by multiple government officials etc...

The privately owned legal ones are very rare and have never been used in a crime.

Just putting that out there before fudd keiser goes crazy thinking full autos are common place.

[Bouncer]

Mark Robinson addresses City Council on how they will not take our guns. Preach on brother!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p9KxzVCA_g