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  • Pluto should be reclassified as a planet, experts say

    Wonder how Neil Degrasse Tyson feels about this. He played a major role in getting Pluto removed as a planet if i'm not mistaken.

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    The reason Pluto lost its planet status is not valid, according to new research.

    In 2006, the International Astronomical Union, a global group of astronomy experts, established a definition of a planet that required it to "clear" its orbit, or in other words, be the largest gravitational force in its orbit.

    Since Neptune's gravity influences its neighboring planet Pluto, and Pluto shares its orbit with frozen gases and objects in the Kuiper belt, that meant Pluto was out of planet status. However, in a new study published online Wednesday in the journal Icarus, UCF planetary scientist Philip Metzger, who is with the university's Florida Space Institute, reported that this standard for classifying planets is not supported in the research literature.

    Metzger, who is lead author on the study, reviewed scientific literature from the past 200 years and found only one publication -- from 1802 -- that used the clearing-orbit requirement to classify planets, and it was based on since-disproven reasoning.

    He said moons such as Saturn's Titan and Jupiter's Europa have been routinely called planets by planetary scientists since the time of Galileo.

    "The IAU definition would say that the fundamental object of planetary science, the planet, is supposed to be a defined on the basis of a concept that nobody uses in their research," Metzger said. "And it would leave out the second-most complex, interesting planet in our solar system." "We now have a list of well over 100 recent examples of planetary scientists using the word planet in a way that violates the IAU definition, but they are doing it because it's functionally useful," he said. "It's a sloppy definition," Metzger said of the IAU's definition. "They didn't say what they meant by clearing their orbit. If you take that literally, then there are no planets, because no planet clears its orbit."

    The planetary scientist said that the literature review showed that the real division between planets and other celestial bodies, such as asteroids, occurred in the early 1950s when Gerard Kuiper published a paper that made the distinction based on how they were formed.

    However, even this reason is no longer considered a factor that determines if a celestial body is a planet, Metzger said.

    Study co-author Kirby Runyon, with Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory in Laurel, Maryland, said the IAU's definition was erroneous since the literature review showed that clearing orbit is not a standard that is used for distinguishing asteroids from planets, as the IAU claimed when crafting the 2006 definition of planets.

    "We showed that this is a false historical claim," Runyon said. "It is therefore fallacious to apply the same reasoning to Pluto," he said. Metzger said that the definition of a planet should be based on its intrinsic properties, rather than ones that can change, such as the dynamics of a planet's orbit. "Dynamics are not constant, they are constantly changing," Metzger said. "So, they are not the fundamental description of a body, they are just the occupation of a body at a current era."

    Instead, Metzger recommends classifying a planet based on if it is large enough that its gravity allows it to become spherical in shape.

    "And that's not just an arbitrary definition, Metzger said. "It turns out this is an important milestone in the evolution of a planetary body, because apparently when it happens, it initiates active geology in the body."

    Pluto, for instance, has an underground ocean, a multilayer atmosphere, organic compounds, evidence of ancient lakes and multiple moons, he said.

    "It's more dynamic and alive than Mars," Metzger said. "The only planet that has more complex geology is the Earth."

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0907110422.htm

  • #2
    You’d think that in today’s day and age, scientists would have some sort of hard definition and agreement on what a planet is and wouldn’t rely on publications from 200ish years ago.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by mofo View Post
      wouldn’t rely on publications from 200ish years ago.


      shall we toss out newton's laws or darwin's findings as well? why rely on those old turds!?

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      • #4
        I want to say there was a guest on the JRP that made a fantastic argument as to why Pluto was incorrectly removed from planet status and it had something to do with the absurd change in definition at the time of what a planet is. I don't recall the details or the guest.

        If I'm not mistaken Pluto has it's own moon/s and in my eyes that makes it a planet.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by chuckz28 View Post
          I want to say there was a guest on the JRP that made a fantastic argument as to why Pluto was incorrectly removed from planet status and it had something to do with the absurd change in definition at the time of what a planet is. I don't recall the details or the guest.

          If I'm not mistaken Pluto has it's own moon/s and in my eyes that makes it a planet.
          It's something about Pluto being in the keiper belt and in the keiper belt there are actually objects bigger than pluto that aren't planets. So the definition doesn't seem to be very agreed upon.

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          • #6
            safe to say he don't agree. lol. it's from 2017 but it address the same issue.

            Neil deGrasse Tyson Rejects Pluto Planethood Proposal

            https://www.space.com/36126-pluto-pl...sse-tyson.html

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Bouncer View Post


              shall we toss out newton's laws or darwin's findings as well? why rely on those old turds!?
              Laws are proven through experimentation and research. Theories are speculation based on what we’ve observed second-hand but can’t control or observe directly.

              A definition of what’s a planet is basically like a diagnosis. It should evolve as we learn more about it and become more and more specific.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mofo View Post
                Laws are proven through experimentation and research. Theories are speculation based on what we’ve observed second-hand but can’t control or observe directly.

                A definition of what’s a planet is basically like a diagnosis. It should evolve as we learn more about it and become more and more specific.


                Has Neil gotten in touch with you yet!? anyone from nasa? how about JPL? these morons clearly need your definitions! lol

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