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  • The Mystery of Germany’s Low Coronavirus Death Rate

    Germany has been an absolute world leader in the fight against Covid. The death rate there is far far less in comparison to other countries. For example, the death rate in Italy is a massive 10%. In Germany it's 0.5%. There is no way that's just dumb luck. Is Germany just that much better in health care? Is Italy basically a 3rd world shit hole in terms of health care? This story is as fascinating to me as it is scary.

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    The mystery of Germany’s low coronavirus death rate



    Germany has the fifth most coronavirus cases worldwide — but only a fraction of the deaths.

    While Italy has received much of the attention due to the severity of the coronavirus outbreak in the country, there’s another European nation that deserves a closer look: Germany.

    Germany has the fifth-most coronavirus cases in the world, but only a fraction of the death toll that has been seen in other countries. And the reason remains a mystery. “We don’t know the reason for the lower death rate,” Marieke Degen, deputy spokeswoman of Germany’s Robert Koch Institute (RKI), told me.

    The Robert Koch Institute, part of Germany’s Federal Ministry of Health, is at the forefront of the country’s coronavirus response. According to RKI’s most recent figures, there are more than 31,500 confirmed Covid-19 cases in Germany. But with 149 deaths as of March 25, the country’s fatality rate was a low 0.5 percent.

    In comparison, Italy has more 74,300 confirmed cases and over 7,500 deaths, which puts its fatality rate at 10 percent. In the United States, the fatality rate is currently at about 1.4 percent according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    The huge discrepancy in fatality rates between Germany and Italy is also startling because both countries have some of the oldest populations in the world, according to the Washington, DC-based Population Reference Bureau. The World Health Organization (WHO) has identified people over the age of 60 and people with preexisting medical conditions as being at higher risk of experiencing more severe symptoms fromCovid-19.

    “We need to work together to protect older people from the virus,” WHO Director-General Dr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Wednesday. “Older people carry the collective wisdom of our societies.”

    “We don’t do anything special compared to other countries”

    Just as governments have elsewhere around the world, Germany has instituted restrictions on public gatherings and ordered the closure of nonessential shops, bars, and restaurants. Chancellor Angela Merkel urged her countrymen in a rare, nationally televised address on March 18 to abide by the restrictions in order to contain the spread.

    “This is serious,” Merkel said. “Since German unification — no, since the Second World War — no challenge to our nation has ever demanded such a degree of common and united action.”

    It was a stark message — not least because, as Carnegie Europe’s Judy Dempsey notes, it came from a leader who, apart from her annual New Year’s addresses, hasn’t given a nationally televised speech since she became chancellor in 2005.

    But outside of Merkel’s forceful speech, Germany has more or less followed similar strategies to confront the spread of the virus as many other countries. “We don’t do anything special compared to other countries,” German virologist Martin Stürmer told me.

    “In general, we have a rather good intensive care situation in Germany,” Stürmer said. “We have highly specialized doctors and facilities, and maybe that’s part of the reason why our severely ill patients survive compared to those in other countries.”

    Stürmer, who is in quarantine at his home after a family member tested positive for Covid-19, also believes Germany’s rapid testing contributed to its lower fatality rate. The RKI early on recommended broad testing to detect cases as soon as possible and to slow the outbreak.

    “This is probably why we started to see cases very early, also mild ones, which in other circumstances might have been missed,” RKI’s Degen said. “If you start seeing deaths, it indicates that the virus has already been active in the community for some time. The same is also true with the flu.”

    Data from RKI also shows that the majority of cases in Germany have been detected in people between the ages of 35 and 59. That most coronavirus cases in Germany are being detected in an age demographic that is not considered part of the high-risk population could be a further contributing factor.

    ”The case fatality rate can be affected by the age profile of cases; deaths usually occur in the elderly,” Stephanie Brickman, senior communications consultant at the WHO’s regional office for Europe, said in an email. “In the early stages of the epidemic, it is possible that more cases occur in working-age adults before the epidemic spreads to older populations, where the case fatality is higher.”

    But as the number of confirmed cases accelerates in the country, a spokesperson for Germany’s health ministry is calling for continued vigilance: “It is far too early to signal the all-clear.”

    “We are at the very beginning of the epidemic”

    According to the WHO’s Europe office, those who have died from Covid-19 worldwide were on average infected two to three weeks prior. That means there’s a chance Germany and other nations in a similar stage of the outbreak could soon see a spike in deaths.

    “The outbreak in Italy has been evolving for longer than other places in Europe and therefore more patients will have completed their final outcome and either been discharged or sadly passed away,” Brickman said.

    But virologist Stürmer believes it is more likely the global fatality rate will be lower when all is said and done. “I think all over the world the rates will go down, because we have so many people with mild symptoms, which are not being tested and therefore they are not reflected in the data,” he said.

    Whether Germany will be able to keep its fatality rate way below those of other countries is unclear, but the country’s health officials are aware that things could change at any moment going forward.

    “In Germany, we are at the very beginning of the epidemic,” Degen said. “We see more and more deaths and we don’t know how everything develops. And of course everything is done to further slow the spread at the moment in order to save medical capacities.”

    https://www.vox.com/world/2020/3/27/...s-italy-europe

  • #2
    Better facilities.
    Better training.
    Stronger populace.
    More compliance with regulations.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by decadecadeca View Post
      Better facilities.
      Better training.
      Stronger populace.
      More compliance with regulations.
      Italy is basically the Alabama or Mississippi of western Europe agree?

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      • #4
        Corona cases 62,095

        deaths 525

        Recovered 9,211
        In Germany

        Not exactly controlled, but it's gotten better with querentine.
        Yes germany has better health care, but Italy is one of the oldest countries and social distance wasn't part of they Fortai... numbers will keep growing around the nation.
        Plus they say this shit is airborne for 3 hours...
        German Cops don't have a clue what's going on.
        Challenged one at the soccer field when we was training cause they try to put us out and it was only two of us with 1.5 meters apart
        Plus a german state finance minister committed suicide leaving a note. Pretty saying economy is fucked





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        • #5
          Well not to brag but our death rate is only 0.37%

          Only 16 dead

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          • #6
            Covid would get fucked up with all them weird creatures in Australia

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            • #7
              Originally posted by redback View Post
              Well not to brag but our death rate is only 0.37%

              Only 16 dead
              you have like 3 cases dipshit. probably more cases in my local hospital than your entire nation dickhead! the moon has zero deaths as well. jack off. :D

              https://www.theguardian.com/australi...tistics-update

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Bouncer View Post

                you have like 3 cases dipshit. probably more cases in my local hospital than your entire nation dickhead! the moon has zero deaths as well. jack off. :D

                https://www.theguardian.com/australi...tistics-update
                It's the percentage you look at bright spark. 0.37% is 0.37% duh :D

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by redback View Post

                  It's the percentage you look at bright spark. 0.37% is 0.37% duh :D
                  If we had 1 case total in the US how many deaths you think we'd have asshole!? Most likely zero fuck stick

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                    If we had 1 case total in the US how many deaths you think we'd have asshole!? Most likely zero fuck stick

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                    You're just jealous because you have the worlds worst healthcare system and all you fat fucks are dying.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by redback View Post

                      You're just jealous because you have the worlds worst healthcare system and all you fat fucks are dying.
                      Haha.

                      Well it's certainly cleaning out the weak and the sickly. Will be slightly less traffic when things clear up.

                      I wonder what the rate of obese people vs non obese are dieing.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bouncer View Post
                        Haha.

                        Well it's certainly cleaning out the weak and the sickly. Will be slightly less traffic when things clear up.

                        I wonder what the rate of obese people vs non obese are dieing.

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                        Yup well they have said here that from what they are seeing, the heavier you are the more likely you are too suffer the major complications that come with the more severe cases. That is second to age.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by redback View Post

                          You're just jealous because you have the worlds worst healthcare system and all you fat fucks are dying.
                          And these dumb fucks ask me why I don't go back to America.
                          Can't beat German health care and the benefits. Especially women with kids.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by boricuarage79 View Post
                            And these dumb fucks ask me why I don't go back to America.
                            Can't beat German health care and the benefits. Especially women with kids.

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                            I was in Florida the other day.. ran into your father. He looked at me and said... "Bouncer your like the son I wish I had. You'd never abandoned your country.." then we had a BBQ and laughed at your expense...

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                            • #15
                              Lol

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