Letro for "pubertal" gynecomastia

[RandomBoy]

Hi everyone.

Since so many people get tied up with gyno issues, nolva, letro, arimidex and etc etc I thought I'd post what I'm going through here.

Anyways, the following is something I posted in another thread.

(http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...d-gyno-13.html)

A little history about me and my gyno:
I used to be fat in elementary and got pubertal gyno and used to have huge man boobs. Also, the drinking and marijuana during high school didn't help at all.

Since then, I lead a different and healthier lifestyle.
2 years of Martial Arts and Swim team practices 2 hours per day changed me physically and mentally. I fell in love with working out and a healthy lifestyle

However, chest fat and puffy nipples always remained. Even when I had a six pack!
This really discouraged me and I lost some of my dedication for a while, but I'm back.

I'm 20 years old now and this summer I took Nolva for the first time because I had no idea there were other ways other than surgery. It worked! It got rid of my chest fat and I felt comfortable with my shirt off. It felt so amazing.

However, it came back after I got off the Nolva I would've looked up what I could do to fix it, AGAIN, but lucky for me I took a trip to my home country (Peru) and had the gyno surgery done for 200 bucks. Yeah, crazy cheap right?

Anyways, this surgeon actually did a good job EXCEPT for the gland in my left nipple. He either left it on purpose so I'd come back or by accident because after the surgery my left nipple hurt like crazy!! After the pain went away a bit and my chest returned to normal I noticed there was a bump under it. I'm knew to all this really. Also, I smoked some marijuana and it seems that the lump in my left nipple is growing and a tiny one in my right one is starting to grow. I'm dumping the weed for good now. I kept reading debates on whether or not marijuana causes gyno and it seems that to me it does cause gyno. I guess I'm prone.

Anyways, my problem is the gyno, a bit of chest fat developing, and puffy, bigger nipples developing. I'm thinking of getting the Letro and using it at .5 mg a day or very other day. I was hoping you could give me some advice so I feel a little more confident in what I'm doing. I'd really appreciate it.

Should I just get the letro or should I add in some Nolva too after the Letro? What about an anti-e?

I understand this is time sensitive so as soon I receive an answer I will place my order. Thank you so much!

PS: The surgery hurt so firkin bad after for weeks. Like my chest useless had been completely torn apart. It set me back so far on all the gains I had :'( Has anyone else who has had the surgery had pain like this too? Or was this doctor incompetent? If so, I will feel so lucky to be right here and alive right now.

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After a few replys I got the Letro from RUI and have been on the cycle instructed on that same thread.

So far it's been 6 days. I've been taking it every night.

Results so far:

Not much difference.
I wake every morning and my nipples are definitely with no pain and no lumps, but by the end of the night the lumps are back. Especially in the left one. That one is huge. Dime-nickel size. I think it's the gland the surgeon left. The right one is very tiny. I'd say smaller than half a pea.

(I just looked in the mirror and I hate the god damn surgeon for a giving me an amazing right chest and shitty left one. :fight: I mean, really, what was the point of that? Damn douchebag... Well at least I got a bj from his hot nurse :hibb: :thumup: LOL)

Also, I definitely feel joint pains when lifting. It's gotten to the point where I'd rather not lift because I'm scared I might damage something. I lift rather hard and really push myself at the gym.

I know nolva definitely worked for me a while back so I might consider going back and trying that one after this Letro, but... damn I hate not being able to gain. This was supposed to be my gaining season! Can I get ANY gains while on Letro? I'm thinking of just stopping bulking and concentrate on toning while running this Letro since it would make more sense. Is this a good idea?

Well, hope this thread will eventually help some future reader some how with good information or something :retard:

Okay, signing off.

Peace!

<Any comments? Ideas? Suggestions?>

[Bouncer]

6 days is not enough time to make any difference. Run letro for at least a month to see a difference.

No you don't need nolva just come of letro slowly.

[liftsiron]

Letro is a poor choice to treat gyno, it's helps prevent it, but is a poor treatment for it. Use nolvadex! And stop smoking pot as it aggravates gyno and can even cause it.

[RandomBoy]

6 days is not enough time to make any difference. Run letro for at least a month to see a difference.

No you don't need nolva just come of letro slowly.

Oh, okay. Thanks dude.
Will do. Not sure if I have enough Letro for a month though :/
I got a bottle from RUI.

And I meant taking Nolva another time if the Letro doesn't do it for me. But we'll see.

:thumup:

[RandomBoy]

Letro is a poor choice to treat gyno, it's helps prevent it, but is a poor treatment for it. Use nolvadex! And stop smoking pot as it aggravates gyno and can even cause it.

Hm, well this thread says otherwise:

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...w-get-rid-gyno

Soooo I don't know.
I've already started it. We'll see how it goes.
I will post an update right after this.

And yeah. I researched a whole bunch of info on pot and estrogen. There was a lot of evidence for both sides. In the end I smoked pot (a lot) and the lumps definitely grew.

:(

[RandomBoy]

Okay so it's been 4 days after I posted this thread. I'm up to 2.5 mg of letro each night. The lump is definitely way smaller and pain is nearly 100% gone. My nipples are still puffy though. (I hate that.)

I stopped lifting weights at the gym because my joints were hurting after sets. Should I just push through it or should I lay off the lifting for a while? I don't wanna lose muscle. Will it have negative and/or permanent effects on my joints if I push through it? That's my main concern.

[Bouncer]

Letro is a poor choice to treat gyno, it's helps prevent it, but is a poor treatment for it. Use nolvadex! And stop smoking pot as it aggravates gyno and can even cause it.

ahh i think you are confused. lol. nolvadex prevents gyno, letro treats it..

[RandomBoy]

ahh i think you are confused. lol. nolvadex prevents gyno, letro treats it..

However, nolva has reduced my gyno in the past. not sure if it removed any lump, but it definitely removed chest fat when I used to have lots of stubborn chest fat.

[RandomBoy]

By the way, should I worry about joint pain while lifting?

[liftsiron]

ahh i think you are confused. lol. nolvadex prevents gyno, letro treats it..

That's backwards bro, an AI helps prevent gyno, nolvadex treats existing gyno.

[Bouncer]

That's backwards bro, an AI helps prevent gyno, nolvadex treats existing gyno.

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect. Nolvadex is for prevention, letro for treatment. This has been pretty clear for years and has been proven time and time again, myself included. Letro is far far more powerful at treating existing gyno.

[liftsiron]

Sorry but you are absolutely incorrect. Nolvadex is for prevention, letro for treatment. This has been pretty clear for years and has been proven time and time again, myself included. Letro is far far more powerful at treating existing gyno.

That was made up by Hooker aka Anthony Roberts and is a misconception.

Here is a very long but worthwhile read.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...stia-aas-users

[Bouncer]

That was made up by Hooker aka Anthony Roberts and is a misconception.

Here is a very long but worthwhile read.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...stia-aas-users

lol, it wasnt made up by anyone.

i developed gyno using test and dbol only while i was running nolvadex!! lol.

nolvadex is nowhere near as powerful as letro. its not even close.

letro destroyed 2 year old gyno i had and it has done so in so many others.

i cant believe i am having this convo with you to be honest.

[liftsiron]

I have never seen any medical literture suggesting using an AI for gyno, but I have seen at least a hundred studies suggesting serms as the perferred
treatment for gyno. Maybe their is studies in which letro has successfully treated gyno????





Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. [email protected]

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifen in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia. STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene). RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients. CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.







Beneficial effects of raloxifene and tamoxifen in the treatment of pubertal gynecomastia.Lawrence SE, Faught KA, Vethamuthu J, Lawson ML.
Department of Pediatrics, University of Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. [email protected]

OBJECTIVES: To assess the efficacy of the anti-estrogens tamoxifen and raloxifen in the medical management of persistent pubertal gynecomastia. STUDY DESIGN: Retrospective chart review of 38 consecutive patients with persistent pubertal gynecomastia who presented to a pediatric endocrinology clinic. Patients received reassurance alone or a 3- to 9-month course of an estrogen receptor modifier (tamoxifen or raloxifene). RESULTS: Mean (SD) age of treated subjects was 14.6 (1.5) years with gynecomastia duration of 28.3 (16.4) months. Mean reduction in breast nodule diameter was 2.1 cm (95% CI 1.7, 2.7, P <.0001) after treatment with tamoxifen and 2.5 cm (95% CI 1.7, 3.3, P <.0001) with raloxifene. Some improvement was seen in 86% of patients receiving tamoxifen and in 91% receiving raloxifene, but a greater proportion had a significant decrease (>50%) with raloxifene (86%) than tamoxifen (41%). No side effects were seen in any patients. CONCLUSION: Inhibition of estrogen receptor action in the breast appears to be safe and effective in reducing persistent pubertal gynecomastia, with a better response to raloxifene than to tamoxifen. Further study is required to determine that this is truly a treatment effect.

[Bouncer]

bro have you ever used both in the real world? lol.

if you would know that comparing nolvadex to letro is like comparing a 9mm to a fucken .50 cal.

its not even a comparison. i love nolvadex as PCT and for preventing gyno on a light cycle. but when you have already developed gyno, nolvadex does very little. again i have put this to the test on myself on more then 1 occasion when i had developed slight gyno.

have you seen this thread? have you seen how many people have gotten rid of there gyno with letro when nolvadex was not strong enough?
http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums...w-get-rid-gyno