Kidneys!

[Mr I]

So if you harm your liver and stop whatever was hurting it, out grows back but if you hurt your kidneys your fucked basically.

Tom Prince
Leverone
Flex

many more and the latest is mariuz dhone, great physique but now retired age 30 due to kidney damage.

are bodybuilders who don't use diuretics at risk with high protien still.and does any body take sups that help support kidneys?

[Bouncer]

From what I have read and understand to be true, most of the damage seems to be done in the prep phase of a show with diuretics. Not saying the damage cant come from other areas but that seems to be the biggie.

In Tom Prince's case, he was taking up to 2400mgs per day of ibuprofen for years to deal with various pains.

I think if you stay away from the diuretics, use anti-inflammatory drugs as directed and practice general good health like making sure you are drinking enough water you should be fine.

Basic injectables like test, tren, deca, eq, primo etc.. should not be enough to cause much if any damage to the kidneys unless there is some genetic issue as was the case for Flex and Levrone from what I understand.

[Mr I]

Good points, I think really high protien can't be good either, or tren

[rado]

From what I have read and understand to be true, most of the damage seems to be done in the prep phase of a show with diuretics. Not saying the damage cant come from other areas but that seems to be the biggie.

In Tom Prince's case, he was taking up to 2400mgs per day of ibuprofen for years to deal with various pains.

I think if you stay away from the diuretics, use anti-inflammatory drugs as directed and practice general good health like making sure you are drinking enough water you should be fine.

Basic injectables like test, tren, deca, eq, primo etc.. should not be enough to cause much if any damage to the kidneys unless there is some genetic issue as was the case for Flex and Levrone from what I understand.

:panic::panic:hello no stomach lining. FUCK!

[bigscott]

Good points, I think really high protien can't be good either, or tren

high protein is what my doc gets on me about .. no good for the kidneys

[Mr I]

high protein is what my doc gets on me about .. no good for the kidneys

what is high Scott, if I'm 250 lb and eat 300 to 350 g in terms of complete protien is that high or ok?

[funniirishman]

The liver is the only organ in the human body capable of regeneration. They have used as little as a quarter of a liver for transplant recipients and had it successfully regenerate to complete function.

Your kidneys do not have such ability however they can adapt a great deal. While incapable of regeneration, they are capable of growth and increased function to sustain a human body in the event of significant damage or loss of one. In the case of kidney transplants, compensation of a sole kidney in terms of hypertrophy (it grows) and function can increase 30-40% percent. They are also capable of healing damage in some cases, however the extent of this is widely debated.

How much protein is always a question I get asked with regularity, often out of concern for our operational environment. My advice has been that figuring out what is optimum for your body is key. The filtering of excess protein through the kidneys produces significant strain in terms of renal function. Studies have shown that increased excess protein could lead to an accelerated decline in overall kidney function primarily in those with slightly decreased kidney function to begin with. I think if you have a lifestyle that leads to excess consumption of protein on a regular and continual basis, this is something that it would be in your interest to monitor and calculate. If you are also introducing compounds hard on your body's renal system this problem and strain could be compounded.

[Scrumhalf]

Irishman, are you a doctor or medical professional, bro?

[funniirishman]

I'm a medic overseas, with that said everything I post is just my opinion from what I know or research:)

[Scrumhalf]

Cool... You have definitely come across in all your posts as knowing your stuff. Post more bro... Need more "pro" opinions here in addition to us amateurs, especially in nutrition and medical areas.

[rado]

The liver is the only organ in the human body capable of regeneration. They have used as little as a quarter of a liver for transplant recipients and had it successfully regenerate to complete function.

Your kidneys do not have such ability however they can adapt a great deal. While incapable of regeneration, they are capable of growth and increased function to sustain a human body in the event of significant damage or loss of one. In the case of kidney transplants, compensation of a sole kidney in terms of hypertrophy (it grows) and function can increase 30-40% percent. They are also capable of healing damage in some cases, however the extent of this is widely debated.

How much protein is always a question I get asked with regularity, often out of concern for our operational environment. My advice has been that figuring out what is optimum for your body is key. The filtering of excess protein through the kidneys produces significant strain in terms of renal function. Studies have shown that increased excess protein could lead to an accelerated decline in overall kidney function primarily in those with slightly decreased kidney function to begin with. I think if you have a lifestyle that leads to excess consumption of protein on a regular and continual basis, this is something that it would be in your interest to monitor and calculate. If you are also introducing compounds hard on your body's renal system this problem and strain could be compounded.

I always thought the liver could not regenerate itself once permanent damage has been done. Good post.

[Bouncer]

The liver is the only organ in the human body capable of regeneration. They have used as little as a quarter of a liver for transplant recipients and had it successfully regenerate to complete function.

Your kidneys do not have such ability however they can adapt a great deal. While incapable of regeneration, they are capable of growth and increased function to sustain a human body in the event of significant damage or loss of one. In the case of kidney transplants, compensation of a sole kidney in terms of hypertrophy (it grows) and function can increase 30-40% percent. They are also capable of healing damage in some cases, however the extent of this is widely debated.

How much protein is always a question I get asked with regularity, often out of concern for our operational environment. My advice has been that figuring out what is optimum for your body is key. The filtering of excess protein through the kidneys produces significant strain in terms of renal function. Studies have shown that increased excess protein could lead to an accelerated decline in overall kidney function primarily in those with slightly decreased kidney function to begin with. I think if you have a lifestyle that leads to excess consumption of protein on a regular and continual basis, this is something that it would be in your interest to monitor and calculate. If you are also introducing compounds hard on your body's renal system this problem and strain could be compounded.

thanks for the great post.

do you have any thoughts on tren being harsh on the kidneys? the bro science out there says that it is but as far as i am aware there is no proof.

[rado]

thanks for the great post.

do you have any thoughts on tren being harsh on the kidneys? the bro science out there says that it is but as far as i am aware there is no proof.

I have my own proof it has no effect, on me that is. I do think that the drug affects people differently as to why some or most have issues with it and my only conclusion to that is this;

If you're prone to having kidney issues or it runs in your family, then it may happen to you. Kind of like those who have heart problems in their families or a history of high cholesterol. Some people can eat 10 whole eggs and have no effect on their HDL/LDL ratio while others are opposite.

I have a history of HBP in my family and even while off, at times I get HBP issues. I've posted years ago when my nose would just bleed while off and worse while on and some staggering numbers of my blood pressure. With that said, I've been able to keep it under control with Zinc and Niacin.

But my conclusions are all based on my own blood work.

[Bouncer]

I have my own proof it has no effect, on me that is. I do think that the drug affects people differently as to why some or most have issues with it and my only conclusion to that is this;

If you're prone to having kidney issues or it runs in your family, then it may happen to you. Kind of like those who have heart problems in their families or a history of high cholesterol. Some people can eat 10 whole eggs and have no effect on their HDL/LDL ratio while others are opposite.

I have a history of HBP in my family and even while off, at times I get HBP issues. I've posted years ago when my nose would just bleed while off and worse while on and some staggering numbers of my blood pressure. With that said, I've been able to keep it under control with Zinc and Niacin.

But my conclusions are all based on my own blood work.

Yea I remember you posting about that. I think a lot of people conclude that tren is bad on the kidneys because it can change the color of pee in some people to a rusty color. But from what I have read that is just a reaction from a certain chemical when leaving the body and isnt harmful to the kidneys at all.

[rado]

Yea I remember you posting about that. I think a lot of people conclude that tren is bad on the kidneys because it can change the color of pee in some people to a rusty color. But from what I have read that is just a reaction from a certain chemical when leaving the body and isnt harmful to the kidneys at all.

No different than when you take a B complex vitamin bro; pee is super yellow even if you drink tons of water.

I'm NOT saying by any means that Tren isn't harmful, but it wasn't for me in a sense of messing with my lipid profiles. Did it elevate my blood pressure? Sure did but nothing really abnormal though and I took Zinc, Niacin and at times; aspirin and I was good.