high creatine kinase levels

[casby]

i recently got some blood work done, and the CK levels came back at over 1300. normal range for me said it was 52-200. I've had high levels for the last year and a half, but this is twice as high as it's ever been. The only difference i can think of that i've made is the 250mgs test every week i'm taking. would test cause it to shoot up? And I haven't taken creatine for a year.

[Bouncer]

Dont know much about it but apparently working out hard before you go in for the test can make the levels shoot up.

Found this:

Causes of Elevated Creatine Kinase

Injuries to the skeletal muscles often trigger high levels of CK-MM. These muscles are the type that most commonly comes to mind when we hear the word muscle. These are the "voluntary" muscles that you are able to control -- for example, the biceps and triceps. Damage to these muscles can occur for various reasons, including muscular dystrophy, direct trauma, strenuous exercise, immobility, certain drugs, muscle injections, nerve conduction studies, muscle infection, seizures or surgery. Strenuous exercise frequently triggers a rise in CK that peaks 16 to 24 hours following a workout, then stays elevated for 72 hours before falling back to baseline. Those with muscle diseases typically experience chronically elevated CK-MM. In fact, those with Duchenne's muscular dystrophy may have levels that are 50 times greater than normal.

Branched Chain Amino Acids

Several studies suggest that amino acids may actually ameliorate CK levels after exercise. According to a study published in December 2007 in the "International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism," branched-chain amino acid, or BCAA, supplements may reduce CK levels after exercise as well as muscle damage and muscle soreness. The study found that consumption of a beverage containing 200 kilocalories of BCAA immediately before and 60 minutes into a workout reduced CK levels four, 24 and 48 hours after completion of exercise. These findings may be of particular benefit to those suffering from delayed onset muscle soreness after exercise.

Warning

One of the most common causes of elevated CK is a lack of oxygen to the heart muscle, known medically as a myocardial infarction or heart attack. According to Mayo Medical laboratories, CK levels peak two to 24 hours following a heart attack and then fall back to baseline after three to four days. Seek immediate medical attention if you have symptoms of a heart attack, such as chest pain, shortness of breath, jaw pain that radiates to your left arm or excessive perspiration. Since many of the causes of skeletal muscle damage can also be quite serious, it is also recommended that you contact your doctor if you experience severe or prolonged muscle pain or weakness.

[casby]

Dont know much about it but apparently working out hard before you go in for the test can make the levels shoot up.

Found this:

Causes of Elevated Creatine Kinase

Injuries to the skeletal muscles often trigger high levels of CK-MM. These muscles are the type that most commonly comes to mind when we hear the word muscle. These are the "voluntary" muscles that you are able to control -- for example, the biceps and triceps. Damage to these muscles can occur for various reasons, including muscular dystrophy, direct trauma, strenuous exercise, immobility, certain drugs, muscle injections, nerve conduction studies, muscle infection, seizures or surgery. Strenuous exercise frequently triggers a rise in CK that peaks 16 to 24 hours following a workout, then stays elevated for 72 hours before falling back to baseline. Those with muscle diseases typically experience chronically elevated CK-MM. In fact, those with Duchenne's muscular dystrophy may have levels that are 50 times greater than normal.

Branched Chain Amino Acids

Several studies suggest that amino acids may actually ameliorate CK levels after exercise. According to a study published in December 2007 in the "International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism," branched-chain amino acid, or BCAA, supplements may reduce CK levels after exercise as well as muscle damage and muscle soreness. The study found that consumption of a beverage containing 200 kilocalories of BCAA immediately before and 60 minutes into a workout reduced CK levels four, 24 and 48 hours after completion of exercise. These findings may be of particular benefit to those suffering from delayed onset muscle soreness after exercise.

Warning

One of the most common causes of elevated CK is a lack of oxygen to the heart muscle, known medically as a myocardial infarction or heart attack. According to Mayo Medical laboratories, CK levels peak two to 24 hours following a heart attack and then fall back to baseline after three to four days. Seek immediate medical attention if you have symptoms of a heart attack, such as chest pain, shortness of breath, jaw pain that radiates to your left arm or excessive perspiration. Since many of the causes of skeletal muscle damage can also be quite serious, it is also recommended that you contact your doctor if you experience severe or prolonged muscle pain or weakness.

I highly doubt it would go up that much to where the doctors are worried due to working out, besides, it's been high for over a year, so there's got to be a different issue. i was also cycling clen recently, maybe that's putting strain on my heart?

anybody notice their levels shoot up like this when on cycle and get blood work done?

[Bouncer]

I highly doubt it would go up that much to where the doctors are worried due to working out, besides, it's been high for over a year, so there's got to be a different issue. i was also cycling clen recently, maybe that's putting strain on my heart?

anybody notice their levels shoot up like this when on cycle and get blood work done?

well bro you better hope it has something to do with just working out the muscles because the other options are a bit scary.

what is the doctors course of action to figure out what is going on?

[Bouncer]

bump for FB. she studies this kind of shit. she is a bit lazy bro, sorry about that but i will try and get her to give you some input.

[casby]

well bro you better hope it has something to do with just working out the muscles because the other options are a bit scary.

what is the doctors course of action to figure out what is going on?

yeah, i can only hope, but i'm a realist, and i can't see it being that simple.

last year, the levels were around 800, and after a few more tests, they slowly started dropping to about 400. That was the last spring. i don't have any time for doc appointments in summer, so they said they'd leave it until this winter, which is where i'm at now. The doc doesn't have much of a plan at the moment, because she has no idea what's happening. I'm going for blood work every 2 weeks, to see if it drops. If it drops, then she's not going to do much, but if it stays high, she was going to send me to a specialist of some sort. didn't clarify.

bump for FB. she studies this kind of shit. she is a bit lazy bro, sorry about that but i will try and get her to give you some input.

thanks. I know there are a few people on this board in the medical field, and was hoping for some input from them.

[Bouncer]

yeah, i can only hope, but i'm a realist, and i can't see it being that simple.

last year, the levels were around 800, and after a few more tests, they slowly started dropping to about 400. That was the last spring. i don't have any time for doc appointments in summer, so they said they'd leave it until this winter, which is where i'm at now. The doc doesn't have much of a plan at the moment, because she has no idea what's happening. I'm going for blood work every 2 weeks, to see if it drops. If it drops, then she's not going to do much, but if it stays high, she was going to send me to a specialist of some sort. didn't clarify.




thanks. I know there are a few people on this board in the medical field, and was hoping for some input from them.

yea, dont put it off bro, could be nothing but it could be something serious. make it priority #1.

[casby]

but thats why i was wondering if injecting test would have anything to do with it. i haven't done a cycle for years, and i'm just doing 250mgs/wk, and suddenly the levels go up. Might be a coincidence, but that's why i'm asking. I wasn't going to tell the doc i'm on test.

[casby]

yea, dont put it off bro, could be nothing but it could be something serious. make it priority #1.

yeah for sure

[FitnessBrat]

bump for FB. she studies this kind of shit. she is a bit lazy bro, sorry about that but i will try and get her to give you some input.

SHE isn't a bit lazy, you ass.


Casby,

You don't seem to be taking this all that serious. This is your health, your body, you need to be more proactive!


How much protein are you consuming in a day?
How much water are you drinking?


You said you don't take creatine. Do you take any preworkout supps or drinks, etc?


When you got your blood work done, had you recently worked out?


Are you still taking the clen? I would certainly stop until you get this under control.

[casby]

Casby,

You don't seem to be taking this all that serious. This is your health, your body, you need to be more proactive!


How much protein are you consuming in a day?
How much water are you drinking?


You said you don't take creatine. Do you take any preworkout supps or drinks, etc?


When you got your blood work done, had you recently worked out?


Are you still taking the clen? I would certainly stop until you get this under control.

last winter i would agree that i wasn't too concerned, but i assure you, when i saw the levels this time around, it was a bit worrisome.

i take preworkout drinks maybe half of my workouts, so approx. 3 times a week, about 300grams of protein/day, and at least 4 liters of water a day. I'm not on clen anymore, but was when i had the test done. I'm pretty sure i didn't workout until after i got the blood work done.

I just recently got another test done yesterday morning, and i haven't worked out for 2 weeks prior to that, and no clen for 3 weeks. So we'll see what it is when i get the results

[jack tors]

are you taking any supplements?

[rado]

I highly doubt it would go up that much to where the doctors are worried due to working out, besides, it's been high for over a year, so there's got to be a different issue. i was also cycling clen recently, maybe that's putting strain on my heart?

anybody notice their levels shoot up like this when on cycle and get blood work done?

Clen affects the heart and it's beats quite a bit. Your numbers are no joke. Did the Dr mention on having you get an EKG?

I've never had mine ever that high with blood work. Your numbers seem very very odd. Not saying you're lying, but with those numbers. You're basically a walking heart attack.

I'm assuming your CK test was a CK-MM not a CK-MB.

Elevated creatine kinase levels are present when there is destruction of cardiac or skeletal muscle. So are you sure those are the numbers? If so, get an EKG and more tests done.

[rado]

last winter i would agree that i wasn't too concerned, but i assure you, when i saw the levels this time around, it was a bit worrisome.

i take preworkout drinks maybe half of my workouts, so approx. 3 times a week, about 300grams of protein/day, and at least 4 liters of water a day. I'm not on clen anymore, but was when i had the test done. I'm pretty sure i didn't workout until after i got the blood work done.

I just recently got another test done yesterday morning, and i haven't worked out for 2 weeks prior to that, and no clen for 3 weeks. So we'll see what it is when i get the results

THIS could be the issue. Clen is really not a good thing for the heart. Plenty of reports from members and studies that it fucks your heart up.

[casby]

Clen affects the heart and it's beats quite a bit. Your numbers are no joke. Did the Dr mention on having you get an EKG?

I've never had mine ever that high with blood work. Your numbers seem very very odd. Not saying you're lying, but with those numbers. You're basically a walking heart attack.

I'm assuming your CK test was a CK-MM not a CK-MB.

Elevated creatine kinase levels are present when there is destruction of cardiac or skeletal muscle. So are you sure those are the numbers? If so, get an EKG and more tests done.

No, the doc never said anything about an EKG, but she said if the levels stay high, then further testing will be done, so maybe that means EKG.
I don't know the difference between CK-MM AND CK-MB, so i can't tell you what it was, but i know for sure, and saw with my own eyes, the levels were over 1300. I'll get the exact numbers when my next results come back.

THIS could be the issue. Clen is really not a good thing for the heart. Plenty of reports from members and studies that it fucks your heart up.

agreed. If this last test comes back way lower, then i'll assume it was the clen, and not take it again