New Concern About Testosterone and Heart Risks

[Bouncer]

If u had one incling of evidence to back this id love to see it, should be easy

The Rock - It doesn't matter what you think! - YouTube

When you drop dead, I'll use you as an example to anyone who asks. Hopefully not in the distant future.

[Mr I]

The Rock - It doesn't matter what you think! - YouTube

When you drop dead, I'll use you as an example to anyone who asks. Hopefully not in the distant future.

:rofl:

[monster70k]

redback is correct.

Someone hacked Bs account

[monster70k]

we have gone over this about 10 times. I am firmly based in reality. i see things in black and white. the numbers and statistics are there, thus you are correct. high test levels increase your chances of heart attack. this cannot be disputed. anyone that does dispute it should be put to sleep and kicked vigorously.

Running causes heart attacks, too. Surprise birthday parties as well - in certain test groups. You have to define the test group in the study. Your 'average' 65 year old male in the US is an overweight, sedentary guy with a shitty diet that is obviously predisposed to having a heart attack due to his lifestyle.

Viagra is fine for a healthy 40 year old. Feed it to someone with heart probs and you have a problem. In this case, the study was done on a group of 'average' US men aged 65+. Caffeine in this demographic would statistically increase risk of a heart attack.

I'd like to see the study done on some healthy 40-50 year olds. Not guys that are already statistically predisposed to having problems when anything performance-enhancing is added to their regimen. Then the study might more accurately conclude 'Overweight, sedentary males over the age of 65 are 2x as likely to have a heart attack when taking Test supplementation.' Wouldn't that accurately summarize that article?

[Bouncer]

anything done or used in excess can be dangerous. that said, doing things in excess is the only way to do them.

redback looks like the average joe.. its clear he has never dieted, trainied, or done AAS in excess... he wont die from test, he'll die of averageness.

[funniirishman]

we have gone over this about 10 times. I am firmly based in reality. i see things in black and white. the numbers and statistics are there, thus you are correct. high test levels increase your chances of heart attack. this cannot be disputed. anyone that does dispute it should be put to sleep and kicked vigorously.

The problem with any specific study unless you know it was a controlled study with very specific parameters, is that you can find data to refute it. For every study that shows the negatives to testosterone therapy you can find one that shows a benefit. I for one believe that TRT properly supervised and within range is beneficial as you age. The documentation of blood thickening isn't new, and is generally mitigated if you are under care of a physician on TRT.

You say high test levels..which to me doesn't fall under structured TRT...it encompasses abuse, or cycling, or even TRT and a sedentary lifestyle..I personally know of two dudes in their sixties on TRT, and have done zero else, no weight loss, no dietary management, hell one even still smokes cigars--so again the parameters of this study are important, and of course the elephant in the room--if you have known heart disease, you are already at a higher risk for a cardiac event--so how to you possibly determine the effects of a compound..I could feed a group of cardiac diseased patients spinach and probably find a connection to spinach and increased cardiac events--and...bodybuilder deaths?? Are you fucking kidding me..those folks clean and jerk the chemistry building and everything in it..to even broadly compare it to a TRT regimen is laughable...stacking insulin HGH etc...I am sure they are at a very high risk.

I think to say undeniably one way or the other simply isn't feasible with the research out there, both for and against it. I think if you do it and are older, then you need to be intelligent...you twenty somethings can roll T-bones and potatoes for a few more years;)

[monster70k]

-and...bodybuilder deaths?? Are you fucking kidding me..those folks clean and jerk the chemistry building and everything in it..

lol

[ROCKETW19]

If u had one incling of evidence to back this id love to see it, should be easy

I agree show me where it says other wise and i am sure the next page will say the complete opposite.

[ROCKETW19]

The problem with any specific study unless you know it was a controlled study with very specific parameters, is that you can find data to refute it. For every study that shows the negatives to testosterone therapy you can find one that shows a benefit. I for one believe that TRT properly supervised and within range is beneficial as you age. The documentation of blood thickening isn't new, and is generally mitigated if you are under care of a physician on TRT.

You say high test levels..which to me doesn't fall under structured TRT...it encompasses abuse, or cycling, or even TRT and a sedentary lifestyle..I personally know of two dudes in their sixties on TRT, and have done zero else, no weight loss, no dietary management, hell one even still smokes cigars--so again the parameters of this study are important, and of course the elephant in the room--if you have known heart disease, you are already at a higher risk for a cardiac event--so how to you possibly determine the effects of a compound..I could feed a group of cardiac diseased patients spinach and probably find a connection to spinach and increased cardiac events--and...bodybuilder deaths?? Are you fucking kidding me..those folks clean and jerk the chemistry building and everything in it..to even broadly compare it to a TRT regimen is laughable...stacking insulin HGH etc...I am sure they are at a very high risk.

I think to say undeniably one way or the other simply isn't feasible with the research out there, both for and against it. I think if you do it and are older, then you need to be intelligent...you twenty somethings can roll T-bones and potatoes for a few more years;)

lol never mind he just said same thing as me but 100 times better,lol

still the bottom line is one will say this one will say that.
I do agree excess will cause problems and I for sure agree that estrogen or lower test is by far worse.

[redback]

I would like to die in a gun fight