Adding dextrose and carbs to protein shakes?

[NewbieChris]

So, for Bouncer Dextrose is a no, and others it is a yes...grr...this whole workout/nutrition thing has so many quirks...and confusing. Maybe I'll try it like you suggest and see how I react...

[ROCKILLER]

I was wondering about that after I read your first post in this thread Bouncer. I've recently started Vitargo post workout because of what you wrote about it. I only take half a serving though and I havent had any negative effects. :hmmm:

[Bouncer]

I was wondering about that after I read your first post in this thread Bouncer. I've recently started Vitargo post workout because of what you wrote about it. I only take half a serving though and I havent had any negative effects. :hmmm:

i didnt either for about a week or so. i dont know, just started feeling like crap after awhile.

[Bouncer]

So, for Bouncer Dextrose is a no, and others it is a yes...grr...this whole workout/nutrition thing has so many quirks...and confusing. Maybe I'll try it like you suggest and see how I react...

not really saying it is a no. just saying that sometimes people need to question the current trend.

[coffee-guy]

So, for Bouncer Dextrose is a no, and others it is a yes...grr...this whole workout/nutrition thing has so many quirks...and confusing. Maybe I'll try it like you suggest and see how I react...

Again - I think that since you're still in the early stages of getting to where you want to be in this sport/lifestyle that you need to stick to "uncomplicated" things - go with the wholes foods you have posted in your diet thread (but if you could revisit your diet thread and answer some of the questions I posted that would help as well) and stick with a simple pwo shake. It takes years to learn how to "listen" to your body so stick to the basics like you've already laid out and go from there. Don't overthink things this early in the game my friend...

[Bouncer]

Again - I think that since you're still in the early stages of getting to where you want to be in this sport/lifestyle that you need to stick to "uncomplicated" things - go with the wholes foods you have posted in your diet thread (but if you could revisit your diet thread and answer some of the questions I posted that would help as well) and stick with a simple pwo shake. It takes years to learn how to "listen" to your body so stick to the basics like you've already laid out and go from there. Don't overthink things this early in the game my friend...

i agree with your point on basics. my point is, basics aren't necessarily dextrose in a PWO shake.

[Cory]

I use maltodextrin in my pwo shake and I feel fine. Dextrose is way too high glycemic for most people and blood sugar can crash very suddenly after consuming it and you will feel very lethargic. Maltodextrin will do the job of spiking your insulin just enough to uptake your protein and replace glycogen, but at a little slower rate and without the blood sugar crash. I usually will have a shake with 40-50 grams of protein pwo along with about the same amount of maltodextrin and that does me just fine. Some people may need to adjust that depending on whether they are using some form of slin or AAS.

[Bouncer]

I use maltodextrin in my pwo shake and I feel fine. Dextrose is way too high glycemic for most people and blood sugar can crash very suddenly after consuming it and you will feel very lethargic. Maltodextrin will do the job of spiking your insulin just enough to uptake your protein and replace glycogen, but at a little slower rate and without the blood sugar crash. I usually will have a shake with 40-50 grams of protein pwo along with about the same amount of maltodextrin and that does me just fine. Some people may need to adjust that depending on whether they are using some form of slin or AAS.

thats what was happening to me with the Vitargo. Vitargo cause a stronger insulin spike then dextrose. i was starting to feel hypoglycemic like 20 minutes after i drank it.

[coffee-guy]

You guys must be really sensitive to this stuff - even when running slin I'm still fairly resistant to crashes and I know my body pretty well - guess that's the beauty of us all being different...

Hell - Jay Cutler has been known to drink Coke with his pwo shake to spike his insulin levels - some people use Gatorade packets - others use candy like twizzlers etc....

The whole point is that increasing nutrient uptake is the key pwo BUT to avoid the increased uptake of fat while you're at it (this being the reason to avoid milk/pb etc) - this holds true even for the "natural" folks - technical research articles or not this is still the goal no matter how you find the best way to go about it.

[Bouncer]

You guys must be really sensitive to this stuff - even when running slin I'm still fairly resistant to crashes and I know my body pretty well - guess that's the beauty of us all being different...

Hell - Jay Cutler has been known to drink Coke with his pwo shake to spike his insulin levels - some people use Gatorade packets - others use candy like twizzlers etc....

pure dextrose at 60 or so grams will spike insulin levels more then a coke or Gatorade. you say it like coke will cause a crazy spike.

[coffee-guy]

Well I suppose I should clarify that 60-80 grams of dextrose is a little high unless you're "on" something and even then a malto/dex mix would be better (although it's still about listening to your body and watching the mirror) - however I don't go over 40 grams of dextrose even when bulking - if I need to add more simple carbs I add more of the maltodextrin...

The point still remains that moderate amounts of "simple" carbs with an adequate protein source should be ingested pwo while fats/most sugars and typically low gi carbs should be avoided....

[Bouncer]

The whole point is that increasing nutrient uptake is the key pwo BUT to avoid the increased uptake of fat while you're at it (this being the reason to avoid milk/pb etc) - this holds true even for the "natural" folks - technical research articles or not this is still the goal no matter how you find the best way to go about it.

your mixing and matching here. the only time you want to avoid fat intake is when you have high insulin levels be it from sugar or a slin shot. you do not have to avoid fat if you are not using dextrose or some other type of sugar to boost slin levels. sure having fat when your insulin levels are spiked would cause fat storage. this is why i just have a banana as the only form of sugar in my PWO shake, the insulin spike is no where near as high. there are many negatives to causing a huge spike in insulin levels. do i need to explain them to you? again, boosting insulin levels post workout with high sugars is pretty new in the time line of bodybuilding in general. if you want to tell this guy to stick to basics, we should not even be talking about a post workout shake. we should be talking whole foods. steak and rice, chicken and rice, beef and sweet potato type meals is what come to mind when we are talking basic.

[Bouncer]

The point still remains that moderate amounts of "simple" carbs with an adequate protein source should be ingested pwo while fats/most sugars and typically low gi carbs should be avoided....

why because that is what BB'ers are doing at this point in time? because that is what all the mags say? you think the current guys that stick to whole foods such as steak and rice as a Post workout meal are wrong? you think arnold and the champs of the 70s were wrong for eating 1 1/2 pounds of ground hamburger immediately after working out were wrong? do you honestly think that in 20 years people wont look back and say, "those guys that had a bunch of sugar post workout were stupid." it is a phase backed by a little science that was never applied to a bodybuilder.

[coffee-guy]

I love how when you get something in your head you'll fight it tooth and nail - very admirable big guy...

[Bouncer]

I love how when you get something in your head you'll fight it tooth and nail - very admirable big guy...

i am just saying that we (myself included) tend to fall into a trend. i guess it is human nature. just look at the style of clothes over the years. all i am trying to get across is that just because something is written or done at a certain time does not mean that it can not be accomplished in a different way.