Adding dextrose and carbs to protein shakes?

[beefcake]

I think a lot of people could probably get by real well with just a sweet potato and a steak pwo. Sounds damn good right now.

[coffee-guy]

I ate flank steak and white rice for my pwo meal until 6 weeks out - then I switched to some type of fish and brown rice pwo after that - I truly am an advocate of the basics and I don't believe I looked too bad onstage and I ate exactly what you guys are talking about pwo...

It's just that our good friend here asked about dextrose in a pwo shake and what purpose it serves etc - not about whole foods vs. supplemental meals or simple vs. complex carbs pwo....

[Bouncer]

It's just that our good friend here asked about dextrose in a pwo shake and what purpose it serves etc - not about whole foods vs. supplemental meals or simple vs. complex carbs pwo....

oh ya. lol. :)

[Cory]

i am just saying that we (myself included) tend to fall into a trend. i guess it is human nature. just look at the style of clothes over the years. all i am trying to get across is that just because something is written or done at a certain time does not mean that it can not be accomplished in a different way.

Well your ass finally went out and bought an ipod after you fought the trend tooth and nail...LOL J/K :laughnew:

[Cory]

Well there definitely is some science that shows that the quicker you can replace glycogen and amino acids that are depleted from intense exercise (typically a liquid protein and carbohydrate mixture), then the better you will recover. This in turn will make you be able to do more work more frequently without soreness and lactic acid buildup. Whole food sources like meats and complex carbs have to be broken down into very small components over a much longer period. I believe it's best to have a pwo shake with protein and carbs immediately following exercise and then a whole food meal 1-2 hours later again with protein carbs and a little healthy plant based fat. My body sucks that drink up in minutes and then I am starving in an hour.

[coffee-guy]

Well there definitely is some science that shows that the quicker you can replace glycogen and amino acids that are depleted from intense exercise (typically a liquid protein and carbohydrate mixture), then the better you will recover. This in turn will make you be able to do more work more frequently without soreness and lactic acid buildup. Whole food sources like meats and complex carbs have to be broken down into very small components over a much longer period. I believe it's best to have a pwo shake with protein and carbs immediately following exercise and then a whole food meal 1-2 hours later again with protein carbs and a little healthy plant based fat. My body sucks that drink up in minutes and then I am starving in an hour.

Give it up brother - he knows these things but seems to be against them now (or at least what foods to accomplish this with) - oh well - maybe one day we can get him to drink our koolaid again :P...

[Bouncer]

I am not saying that a PW shake is a bad idea. I am simply questioning the science as it is applied to post workout. If a fast acting carb and protein source is so superior to whole foods, why do I see no difference in the way I look. One would think that if a shake is so superior I would see a decline in the way I look after a few months with no PW shake. I dont read studies and follow them blindly, I experiment and see what the real would outcome is.

[Cory]

I am not saying that a PW shake is a bad idea. I am simply questioning the science as it is applied to post workout. If a fast acting carb and protein source is so superior to whole foods, why do I see no difference in the way I look. One would think that if a shake is so superior I would see a decline in the way I look after a few months with no PW shake. I dont read studies and follow them blindly, I experiment and see what the real would outcome is.

You may very well be in a small minority of genentic freaks where it may not make much of a difference what and how you eat. The pros like Arnold and so forth are as well, so that's why they excelled back in the day when all this new science was yet to be discovered. But, for the average Joe that doesn't see dramatic progress come easy, making sure they are doing things very precisely can make a big difference for them over the long term. You didn't see nearly the amount of average people walking around on the streets with built physiques back in those days like you do now. Most were competitive bodybuilders that happened into the sport and excelled not necessarily for what they did, but who they were (genetically speaking).

[Bouncer]

You may very well be in a small minority of genentic freaks where it may not make much of a difference what and how you eat. The pros like Arnold and so forth are as well, so that's why they excelled back in the day when all this new science was yet to be discovered. But, for the average Joe that doesn't see dramatic progress come easy, making sure they are doing things very precisely can make a big difference for them over the long term. You didn't see nearly the amount of average people walking around on the streets with built physiques back in those days like you do now. Most were competitive bodybuilders that happened into the sport and excelled not necessarily for what they did, but who they were (genetically speaking).

I can agree with that to a point. I don't consider myself a genetic freak. I definitely have to work hard and eat right to look the way I want to. One would think though that regardless of genetics, if I was using something that worked even better ie PWO shake, I would see better results. Know what I mean?

[Kayak Jones]

An example:
Normal BGL= 80 to 120
Severe Hypoglycemia= Less than 40-50 for most people.
Unconsciousness= Less than 30 for almost but not quite everyone.

Now add 25g Glucose IV and it's not uncommon to have the BGL rise to over 200.
Now take the bodybuilder who typically will be in the 60-100 or so range post workout and add 60-80g Glucose orally. It's not uncommon for their BGL to increase to the 300-600 range. Some of you do this day in, day out for months or years on end and wonder why you feel like shit? Sure there could be any number of reasons but this one is a no brainer.

[Cory]

I can agree with that to a point. I don't consider myself a genetic freak. I definitely have to work hard and eat right to look the way I want to. One would think though that regardless of genetics, if I was using something that worked even better ie PWO shake, I would see better results. Know what I mean?

Yes I do. I think each person is different and may respond different to doing different things. I can see where you are coming from in that people should not just do something because it is the hype right now, rather they should experiment with different things to see what works best for them.

[Cory]

An example:
Normal BGL= 80 to 120
Severe Hypoglycemia= Less than 40-50 for most people.
Unconsciousness= Less than 30 for almost but not quite everyone.

Now add 25g Glucose IV and it's not uncommon to have the BGL rise to over 200.
Now take the bodybuilder who typically will be in the 60-100 or so range post workout and add 60-80g Glucose orally. It's not uncommon for their BGL to increase to the 300-600 range. Some of you do this day in, day out for months or years on end and wonder why you feel like shit? Sure there could be any number of reasons but this one is a no brainer.

Exactly, doing this trains the body to become insulin resistant. Insulin and blood sugar both rise very high after consuming that many high glycemic carbs at once. Then blood sugar plummets and you feel like shit. However, insulin continues to stay high which means the body stops producing it. This leads to hypoglycemia and eventually to type II diabetes.

[Bouncer]

An example:
Normal BGL= 80 to 120
Severe Hypoglycemia= Less than 40-50 for most people.
Unconsciousness= Less than 30 for almost but not quite everyone.

Now add 25g Glucose IV and it's not uncommon to have the BGL rise to over 200.
Now take the bodybuilder who typically will be in the 60-100 or so range post workout and add 60-80g Glucose orally. It's not uncommon for their BGL to increase to the 300-600 range. Some of you do this day in, day out for months or years on end and wonder why you feel like shit? Sure there could be any number of reasons but this one is a no brainer.

What do you have post workout bro?

[Kayak Jones]

1 and a 1/2 scoops chocolate ON, 1/2 banana, 1/2 cup or so of oatmeal, a little splenda. Sometimes a tablespoon of natural PB. Usually make it with water. Sometimes milk, sometimes both.