Where'd I go wrong?

[dna9488]

ok thanks

YA MAN...


thats what we're here for

[Bouncer]

OK well I've actually leaned up some and its generally gone well, just that when I trained chest I had no energy and couldn't figure what had happened, maybe squats took a little more than usual leg routine did from me.

My take was that you should either pick moderate carbs with a few good fats, or moderate good fats with low carbs to go woth your protien. Either or so to speak but not both, is that right?

I here you on the natty peanut butter, just that some seem to be sugesting high fats and the carbs.

Also when you say no carbs for the last few meals, won't that just leave me completely depleted after my workout, I here you on the malto but surely I need some complex carbs at some point after I've trained also ?

take a look at my diet to get some ideas of how i take out the carbs in the last 2 meals.

high protein, moderate carbs, moderate fats is the rule you should follow. i broke my diet down in great detail so people can get an idea and work it into their program.

cardio as i said is essential.

[Bouncer]

Its just that last time I tried this in my diet I put weight on which I'm trying to avoid, maybe that was because I was't restricting my carbs as much as your suggesting. Problem is I have a full time job so if carbs are too low I'd finish up walking round like a Zombie.

again, take a look at how i lay my diet out. see how my last 2 meals have zero carbs. the goal there is to encourage the body not to store that extra "energy" as bodyfat. look at carbs as fuel or energy. protein and fats as muscle builders. if you are putting on bf you simply need to cut out some of that "energy" aka carbs.

[redback]

With all due respect Mr. Incredible you need some work.

Add some eggs in meal 1

For meal 2, ditch the mayo...The tuna is fine, but i rather eat chicken. I rather use this a pre-workout meal because of the complex carbs

Post workout shake should have malto-dextrin, forget the fruit smoothie

Post workout meal, i would personally add in red meat or fish

for Meal #5, cut the brown rice, add in vegetables

Also, are you taking in a multi-vitamin and fish oil???

Also, you need to add steamed vegetables and EVOO

Take it easy, who the fuck are you to give advice around here.

[Mr I]

again, take a look at how i lay my diet out. see how my last 2 meals have zero carbs. the goal there is to encourage the body not to store that extra "energy" as bodyfat. look at carbs as fuel or energy. protein and fats as muscle builders. if you are putting on bf you simply need to cut out some of that "energy" aka carbs.

cool man thanks, its good to know theres plenty room for improvement since I've responded well already.:)

[redback]

Mr incredible, you train shoulders the day after chest, did i read that right?

[Bouncer]

Take it easy, who the fuck are you to give advice around here.

shut up.

[Mr I]

Mr incredible, you train shoulders the day after chest, did i read that right?

Nah sorry bro I was just showing the split, I'd put legs in between those two

[dna9488]

Take it easy, who the fuck are you to give advice around here.

Thats why I said "With all due respect" at the beginning.

I am not trying to be out of line here. He has replied to my threads with positive feedback, and why not try to give my 2 cents at least.

[coffee-guy]

Thats why I said "With all due respect" at the beginning.

I am not trying to be out of line here. He has replied to my threads with positive feedback, and why not try to give my 2 cents at least.

Ummmm.... Because basically you wait until someone else has posted legitimate advice and then you put it in your own words - when you post *original* advice nine times out of ten you end up being corrected and then you have to go back and apologize....

[Bouncer]

stop guys. dna is learning and putting effort into it. that's better then many people can say.

[coffee-guy]

stop guys. dna is learning and putting effort into it. that's better then many people can say.

I can agree but only to a certain point - it's really hard to listen/learn when your mouth is always open - he could learn more by simply reading as opposed to putting his spin on RVERYTHING - the thread he gave bigscott advice on but didn't know what orange roughy was comes to mind every single time I watch him make a post that is exactly what you/someone else has just posted...

If you make a response on a thread that contains solid advice I don't typically follow you into it - the only time I add to it is if I think you're slightly off or to throw another perspective in the mix - I might even say I agree but you won't catch me copying ANYONE - that isn't learning and it dang sure isn't helping/teaching/giving solid advice....

And Mr. Incredible - listen to B - he has said everything I would have added by now :P

[Bouncer]

I can agree but only to a certain point - it's really hard to listen/learn when your mouth is always open - he could learn more by simply reading as opposed to putting his spin on RVERYTHING - the thread he gave bigscott advice on but didn't know what orange roughy was comes to mind every single time I watch him make a post that is exactly what you/someone else has just posted...

If you make a response on a thread that contains solid advice I don't typically follow you into it - the only time I add to it is if I think you're slightly off or to throw another perspective in the mix - I might even say I agree but you won't catch me copying ANYONE - that isn't learning and it dang sure isn't helping/teaching/giving solid advice....

And Mr. Incredible - listen to B - he has said everything I would have added by now :P

i definitely agree with what you are saying and have talked to him about it in the past. he needs to work on adding in his 2 cents when he doesn't have a full understanding.

my point was that he does try and he is interested in the subjects that we talk about. i respect that. many people come here and don't even post in threads relating to bodybuilding/nutrition etc..

[coffee-guy]

my point was that he does try and he is interested in the subjects that we talk about. i respect that. many people come here and don't even post in threads relating to bodybuilding/nutrition etc..

:agree:

[Mr I]

OK so after the talking too you guys gave me I've been shopping today after preparing some food this am;

1) For breakie I had three whole eggs, whey and oats for breakfast

2&3) 12 MIDDAY and 4pm one tupperwhere box with 450g chicken breast, 250g wholegrain rice seasoned with mixed herbs. So I ate half at a time and with the second meal I had 7g fish oil caps

4) post workout, bout 50g whey and 55g malto-dex with 5g creatine

5)I'm dry frying some lean beef mince now and adding brocoli with it

6) I got some peanut butter today (roasted peanuts, palm oil and sea salt) which I think is natural since no added sugar so gonna have tablespoon or so of that with a 300g tub cottage cheese before bed

I trained back tonight and did 30 mins bike cardio after, I also bought salmon and will use that instead of one of the meats tommorrow.