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  • meal frequency myth.. eating every 2-3 hours is wrong..

    Thoughts.. Debate?? I am not so sure myself. Liftsiron seems to be of the same thought process.


    (from a chapter called "Dispelling the Myths")

    ‘Eating several small meals a day is superior to a few large meals a day’

    Despite being a highly impractical meal pattern for many people, this is by far the most common diet myth around; not only in the fitness community, but also in the mass media. As a consequence, it’s also the hardest diet myth to kill, as it’s being perpetually kept alive and repeated ad infinitum by the supplement industry, nutritionists that can’t put the research into proper context and people that just keeps repeating what the others are saying. Let’s look at what the actual studies can tell us about this topic.


    Meal frequency and TEF


    You’ve probably heard that eating smalls meals throughout the day ‘stokes the metabolic fire’ or is the ideal way to eat in order to control cravings and blood sugar; as consequence, this should also be the ideal way to eat for fat burning purposes. This belief is partly based on a gross and blatantly incorrect interpretation of research concerning TEF (Thermic Effect of Food).

    Besides body weight, activity patterns and genetics, TEF is part of the equation that determines your metabolic rate for each given day. Paradoxically, ingesting energy costs energy and TEF is the increase in metabolic rate above basal conditions due to the cost of processing food for storage and use (ref). Simply put, every time you eat, the body expends a certain percentage of energy just to process the food you just ate. TEF varies between the macronutrients; protein is given a value of 20-25%, carbs 5% and fat 2-3% (ref). In a mixed diet, TEF is usually estimated to 10% of the calorie intake.

    So, every time you eat, TEF comes into play and your metabolic rate increases in response to the meal you just ate. The problem here is that the research has been presented in such a way that it has lead people to believe that the net effect of TEF of several small meals would be greater than that of a few, large meals.

    You see, TEF is directly proportional to the calories contained in the meal you just ate (ref). Assuming a diet of 2400 calories, with the same macronutrient composition, eating six small meals of 400 calories or three big meals of 800 calories, TEF will be exactly the same at the end of the day. The only thing that will differ between each meal pattern is the pattern of the spikes; six small meals will equal six small spikes in metabolic rates, while three big meals will equal three big spikes.

    So, while eating several small meals a day will per definition ‘keep the metabolic furnace burning’, three big meals will ‘keep the metabolic furnace blasting’.

    How about fat burning? As researchers have found, substrate metabolism is largely dictated by the meal you just ate and the macronutrient composition of your diet - how you split your meals have no consequence for the amount of fat oxidized at the end of the day (ref). Simply put, if you eat six small meals throughout the day, you will store and burn less fat between the meals compared to three meals a day, while you will store and burn more fat with three meals a day. Substrate metabolism will be different, but the net effect will be the same on either meal pattern.

    Note that I say ‘store’, because fat storage and fat burning is an ongoing process – with six small meals you will store less AND burn less, and with three meals a day you will store more AND burn more. This is important to remember, as it can and has been twisted into ‘you will store more fat with three meals a day’. Sure, if you measure fat storage on a meal per meal basis, which is insane, but on the other hand you will burn more fat in between the meals. Whether you store or lose body fat at the end of the day is a consequence of intake minus expenditure; not meal frequency.

    In conclusion, different meal splits have no effect on metabolic rate or fat metabolism.

    I must admit that I’m a bit amazed at how people keep missing the boat when it comes to meal frequency and TEF. This myth is also prevalent in the minds of many professionals, which is even more confusing. The research is there, right in front of your eyes if you know where to look, and there’s been several large scale, meticulously controlled and well designed studies on the topic of meal frequency and TEF. And still, people keep believing that several small meals a day will increase your energy expenditure beyond what fewer, large meals will do.

    Then again, the powers that be, in this case the supplement industry, loves the fact that the myth is being kept alive. What do people eat when they are being told that they should eat six meals a day? Well, it sure isn’t six home cooked meals. Rather, people are downing meal replacement products, protein shakes and bars in between the main meals. This is a billion dollar industry that is partly being kept alive by erroneous beliefs. Bodybuilding and fitness magazines usually have no interest in presenting accurate information about the topic, as they derive a large part of their financing from supplement ads. In fact, many magazine writers have a vested interest in keeping the myth alive as well, themselves being owners of supplement companies that make millions out of selling protein powders and meal replacement bars.

    Is a high frequency meal plan ever warranted? Sure, if your energy expenditure is extremely high, it would probably be a lot more comfortable to consume your calories in several meals rather than a few very large ones. The 300 lbs off-season bodybuilder or endurance athlete that needs 5-6000 calories a day to maintain body weight would be better advised eating 6 meals of 1000 calories rather than 3 meals with 2000 calories. Some other instances, such as some teenagers having a hard time putting on weight, would also warrant a high frequency meal plan simply because it would be hard getting all the calories in three meals.

    However, these cases represent a minority of people. Getting enough calories in few meals doesn’t seem to be a problem for the great majority, and going by the feedback the 16-8 system has been getting, it’s definitely a more comfortable way to eat for many people.


    Studies cited for this excerpt (in no particular order)

    Denzer CM - The effect of resistance exercise on the thermic effect of food - International Journal of Sport Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism

    Bellisle F et al. Meal frequency and energy balance. Br J Nutr. 1997 Apr;77 Suppl 1:S57-70.

    Westerterp KR et al. Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9

    Taylor MA , Garrow JS. Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients ina chamber calorimeter. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.

    Jones PJ et al. Meal frequency influences circulating hormone levels but not lipogenesis rates in humans. Metabolism. 1995 Feb;44(2):218-23

  • #2
    well in bodybuilding we're told 50g protien is all we can digest i one sitting, thats why we break up the meals to 5 or so, so why does Ronnie neck whey protien with 80g protien in?

    The other thing is if you said to me your only protien source is whey isolate then I'd say I'd take it in every 2 1/2 hrs optimal, but if my only source was steak then you could easily eat every 4 hours since its slower digesting.

    in terms of the fat burning aspect I do believe eating more regular equates better fat loss

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mr incredible View Post
      well in bodybuilding we're told 50g protien is all we can digest i one sitting, thats why we break up the meals to 5 or so, so why does Ronnie neck whey protien with 80g protien in?

      The other thing is if you said to me your only protien source is whey isolate then I'd say I'd take it in every 2 1/2 hrs optimal, but if my only source was steak then you could easily eat every 4 hours since its slower digesting.

      in terms of the fat burning aspect I do believe eating more regular equates better fat loss
      That is a myth to bro, most of protein digestion takes place in the intestine, the intestine can handle 300-400 grams of protein if needed. Also fewer smaller meals gives a higher N2 blood level in a given 24 hour time frame this increases muscle building.

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      • #4
        J Nutr. 2002 May;132(5):1002-8. Related Articles, Links


        Pulse protein feeding pattern restores stimulation of muscle protein synthesis during the feeding period in old rats.

        Arnal MA, Mosoni L, Dardevet D, Ribeyre MC, Bayle G, Prugnaud J, Patureau Mirand P.

        Unite de Nutrition et Metabolisme Proteique, Centre INRA de Clermont-Ferrand-Theix, 63122 Theix, France.

        Muscle loss during aging could be related to a lower sensitivity of muscle protein synthesis to feeding. To overcome this decrease without increasing protein intake, we proposed to modulate the daily protein feeding pattern. We showed that consuming 80% of dietary proteins at noon (pulse pattern) improved nitrogen balance in elderly women. The present study was undertaken in rats to determine which tissues are the targets of the pulse pattern and what mechanisms are involved. Male Sprague-Dawley 11- and 23-mo-old rats (n = 32 per age) were fed 4 isoproteic (18% protein) meals/d for 10 d. Then half of the rats at each age were switched to a 11/66/11/11% repartition of daily proteins (pulse pattern) for 21 d. On d 21, rats were injected with a flooding dose of L-(13)C-valine (50 atom% excess, 150 micromol/100 g body) and protein synthesis rates were measured in liver, small intestine and gastrocnemius muscle in either the postabsorptive or the fed state. Epitrochlearis muscle degradation rates and plasma amino acid concentrations were measured at the same times. The pulse pattern had the following effects: 1) it significantly increased liver protein synthesis response to feeding and postprandial plasma amino acid concentrations at both ages; 2) it restored a significant response to feeding of gastrocnemius muscle protein synthesis in old rats; and 3) it had no effect in small intestine or on muscle breakdown. Thus, using a pulse pattern could be useful in preventing the age-related loss of muscle by increasing feeding-induced stimulation of muscle protein synthesis.

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        • #5
          i think an argument can be made that, for some folks, eating every 2-3 hours keeps them from getting too hungry and overeating during less frequent meals. Also, blood glucose stability is maintained better on smaller, more frequent meals.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mindstar View Post
            i think an argument can be made that, for some folks, eating every 2-3 hours keeps them from getting too hungry and overeating during less frequent meals. Also, blood glucose stability is maintained better on smaller, more frequent meals.
            How do you figure that blood glucose stability is maintained better by more frequent feeding?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by liftsiron View Post
              How do you figure that blood glucose stability is maintained better by more frequent feeding?
              if i go more then 4-5 hours without eating, i start getting shaky, i know this is the case for others also.

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              • #8
                Hmmmm!
                Here is a study that favors frequent meals.

                American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Vol 8, 682-690, Copyright © 1960 by The American Society for Clinical Nutrition, Inc.
                Effects on Metabolism Produced by the Rate of Ingestion of the Diet
                "Meal Eating" Versus "Nibbling"
                CLARENCE COHN M.D.1 and DOROTHY JOSEPH 1

                1 From the Department of Biochemistry, Medical Research Institute, Michael Reese Hospital, Chicago, Illinois

                Animals induced to meal eat (consume full spaced meals) differ from those allowed to nibble (eat frequent small feedings) with respect to over-all body metabolism. Meal eating, when compared to nibbling, is associated with the following: (1) increased body fat, (2) decreased body protein, (3) changed tissue enzymatic activities. (4) altered thyroid activity, (5) an increased incidence of diabetes mellitus in partially depancreatized rats and (6) an enhanced development of and an inhibition in the regression of experimental atherosclerotic lesions. These results are interpreted to be the result of a role the rate of ingestion of the diet plays in the regulation of intermediary metabolism. It is believed that the rate of influx of calories alters traffic over specific enzymatic pathways, when multiple pathways are available, hence it affects the metabolism of fat, carbohydrate and protein.


                And another!


                The effects of altered frequency of eating on plasma lipids in free-living healthy males on normal self-selected diets.
                Author: McGrath, S A : Gibney, M J
                Citation: Eur-J-Clin-Nutr. 1994 Jun; 48(6): 402-7
                Abstract: OBJECTIVE: To examine the effects of modifying meal consumption frequency on blood lipids in free-living healthy male volunteers on self-selected diets. DESIGN: Cross-over study of snacking to non-snacking and non-snacking to snacking patterns. SETTING: Civic Offices, Dublin. SUBJECTS: 12 men with a mean (SD) eating frequency of 6.0 +/- 0.8 times per day ('snacking') and 11 men with a frequency of 3.1 +/- 0.1 meals per day ('non-snackers'). INTERVENTION: The 'snackers' moved from 6.0 to 3.3 +/- 0.3 meal-eating occasions per day while the 'non-snackers' moved from 3.1 to 5.9 +/- 0.9 times per day. It was intended that these modifications of eating frequency would not be the cause of modified nutrient intake in the cross-over period. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Nutrient intake, plasma total, high density lipoprotein (HDL) and low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, plasma triglyceride and apoproteins A-I and B. RESULTS: There was a significant treatment (cross-over) effect on plasma total cholesterol (P = 0.038), LDL cholesterol (P = 0.038), HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio (P = 0.013) and apo A-I/B (P = 0.029). There were no significant nutrient changes on moving from meal-eating to snacking but on moving from snacking to meal-eating there were significant changes (P less than 0.005) in the % energy from protein, fat, saturated fatty acids and alcohol. These changes accounted for all the changes in blood cholesterol in this group. When the data for meal-eating to snacking were analysed separately, given that nutrient intakes did not change, a significant effect of altered meal-eating frequency was found for total cholesterol (P = 0.027) and HDL/LDL (P = 0.015). CONCLUSION: These data on free-living subjects following normal self-selected diets support the hypothesis and the substantial related literature that more frequent meal consumption has a favourable effect on lowering plasma cholesterol and raising the HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                  if i go more then 4-5 hours without eating, i start getting shaky, i know this is the case for others also.
                  LOL I thought I was a freak. I get so bad I sweat shake and wanna kill people!

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                  • #10
                    bb'lding its great for the rest of the ppl no

                    when you tell ppl to eat 5 times a day they dont get it... all they do is eat 2 extra large meals and wonder why they are still fat. or at try to in the beginning and the meals slowly grow in size. i no longer tell ppl to do that.

                    I used to eat 3-4 on non lifting days and 5-6 on lifting days. also non lifting days i went light on the carbs... seemed to work out nicely. i dont think its necissary for the bblder but im not going to change it. i love to eat... i think you can target your meals around training and get almost the same result add 2 snacks instead. keep blood glucose levels intact
                    Last edited by NYCmitch25; 01-20-09, 08:33 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by liftsiron View Post
                      J Nutr. 2002 May;132(5):1002-8. Related Articles, Links


                      Pulse protein feeding pattern restores stimulation of muscle protein synthesis during the feeding period in old rats.

                      Arnal MA, Mosoni L, Dardevet D, Ribeyre MC, Bayle G, Prugnaud J, Patureau Mirand P.

                      Unite de Nutrition et Metabolisme Proteique, Centre INRA de Clermont-Ferrand-Theix, 63122 Theix, France.

                      Muscle loss during aging could be related to a lower sensitivity of muscle protein synthesis to feeding. To overcome this decrease without increasing protein intake, we proposed to modulate the daily protein feeding pattern. We showed that consuming 80% of dietary proteins at noon (pulse pattern) improved nitrogen balance in elderly women. The present study was undertaken in rats to determine which tissues are the targets of the pulse pattern and what mechanisms are involved. Male Sprague-Dawley 11- and 23-mo-old rats (n = 32 per age) were fed 4 isoproteic (18% protein) meals/d for 10 d. Then half of the rats at each age were switched to a 11/66/11/11% repartition of daily proteins (pulse pattern) for 21 d. On d 21, rats were injected with a flooding dose of L-(13)C-valine (50 atom% excess, 150 micromol/100 g body) and protein synthesis rates were measured in liver, small intestine and gastrocnemius muscle in either the postabsorptive or the fed state. Epitrochlearis muscle degradation rates and plasma amino acid concentrations were measured at the same times. The pulse pattern had the following effects: 1) it significantly increased liver protein synthesis response to feeding and postprandial plasma amino acid concentrations at both ages; 2) it restored a significant response to feeding of gastrocnemius muscle protein synthesis in old rats; and 3) it had no effect in small intestine or on muscle breakdown. Thus, using a pulse pattern could be useful in preventing the age-related loss of muscle by increasing feeding-induced stimulation of muscle protein synthesis.

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                      so are you saying your largest meal should be noon

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                        if i go more then 4-5 hours without eating, i start getting shaky, i know this is the case for others also.
                        HA....

                        I want to crawl up into a ball and die.

                        It feels like fucking daggers ripping my stomach. So much pain man.

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                        • #13
                          ^what the hell are you eating heroin?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NYCmitch25 View Post
                            ^what the hell are you eating heroin?

                            Not enough :D


                            thing is if i skip a meal, thats how i feel. My stomach just hurts real badly. I don't feel like doing anything but sleep.

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                            • #15
                              I was quite surprised at how much of the recent scientific research favors the frequent smaller meal approach, not only in regard to muscle building but to general health as well. I always ate four times ed sometime adding a high protein snack, maybe I'll add a second snack to my four meals.

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