Paleo/Primal Diet

[Bouncer]

The primary premise of the paleo diet is to eschew foods that appeared in the human diet after the advent of organized agriculture, i.e. sometime in the last 10,000 years. So, no farmed grains and fruits, primarily. This results in a diet that is high on protein, relatively low on carbs and with a fair amount of good fats (nuts, etc.). Sound familiar? It's a lot like the diet most people on this board aspire for.

Sorry but the premise is a very flawed one. Reason being is that many things that happened in the last 10'000 years have been extremely beneficial to human health and evolution.

And no, it doesn't sound familiar to what people in the bodybuilding world aspire too. Complex carbs are essential to not only bodybuilding but general good health and energy levels. Taking complex carbs out of the diet and only eating simple sugars like fruits etc.. as your carb source is not a healthy nor good idea.

[Scrumhalf]

We live longer than ever in America while our diet is worse than it ever has been in history with the most obese people in our population ever. Medical techniques and drugs have extended our life span, diet has had nothing to do with it. The majority of Americans eat fast food and donuts.

That may be true, but Americans have one of the shortest life spans among advanced countries. The places with the longest life spans have diets that are cleaner and lifestyles that are more active. I think there is plenty of evidence that the increase in lifespan is due to our amazing successes at controlling disease, but that our eating habits are actually hindering further advances in this regard.

[liftsiron]

I do beleive that infection and disease would have been the cause for shorter life. We take things like neosporin, hydrogen perozide, and penicilin for granted. A cut or strep throat could have been deadly back then. I have been doing some more research on the topic, but can't find anything definitive

The article certainly rings true however when it voices against processed shit passed off as food in today's diet.

[Scrumhalf]

The primary premise of the paleo diet is to eschew foods that appeared in the human diet after the advent of organized agriculture, i.e. sometime in the last 10,000 years. So, no farmed grains and fruits, primarily. This results in a diet that is high on protein, relatively low on carbs and with a fair amount of good fats (nuts, etc.). Sound familiar? It's a lot like the diet most people on this board aspire for.

There are a variety of factors leading to the increased life span of today. Better quality food is one, more food and a dependable supply is another. Probably the most signficant is the advances in curing diseases, as well as a general reduction in danger and risk. One can argue that modern agriculture allowed for food to be readily available - there is a lot of truth to that. I don't think a paleo diet is capable of sustaining the world's population, but there is nothing fundamentally wrong with it.

[liftsiron]

But it had to be part of the cause; healthier and diverse eating has significantly increased the life span, their is no denying that.

We live longer than ever in America while our diet is worse than it ever has been in history with the most obese people in our population ever. Medical techniques and drugs have extended our life span, diet has had nothing to do with it. The majority of Americans eat fast food and donuts.

[Bouncer]

the "caveman" diet was not this brilliant healthy diet that people want to make it out to be.

its was eat what you can when you can to survive. jam a bunch of meat in your mouth and then eat again 2 days later type deal.

evolution happens for a reason. we are not meant to eat like they did.

sure the way people eat today is disgusting, but we are not talking about normal people here.

we are talking about a healthy bodybuilding diet VS the diet proposed in this thread. and in that regard, the healthy bodybuilding diet is superior in every way.

[alwaysgrowing]

I do beleive that infection and disease would have been the cause for shorter life. We take things like neosporin, hydrogen perozide, and penicilin for granted. A cut or strep throat could have been deadly back then. I have been doing some more research on the topic, but can't find anything definitive

[Konitz]

While the science behind the paleo diet is dubious at best, there is no causality established for this.

But it had to be part of the cause; healthier and diverse eating has significantly increased the life span, their is no denying that.

[liftsiron]

how would you lay your diet out using those principles?

wild deer

wild bore

antelope

weeds

? lol come on bro. its none sense.

if you want to eat clean and healthy and natural that is fine. but what you posted above is rubbish.

I tend to agree but unfortunately no doubt some will buy into this crap. Foragers would eat all they could when food was available, they would stuff themselves until they puked then ate their puke back up. Then they may go for days w/o another meal.

[Scrumhalf]

Not to be an ass but weren't people really small and short and died at a young age when they ate this way?

While the science behind the paleo diet is dubious at best, there is no causality established for this.

[Konitz]

Not to be an ass but weren't people really small and short and died at a young age when they ate this way?

[Bouncer]

B, I wouldn't follow it exactly as laid out. It would still be chicken and fish based. I would drop all grains, and use fruits as carbs. I'd stay away from beans and peanut butter, and rely on almonds and olive oil.

I see nothing wrong with the way I eat now. But if something has the possiblity of working, why not give it a shot?

so your just going to eat fish, chicken, fruits and nuts? all your carbs are going to come from simple carb sources?

i guess its a better diet then the average american but is not a better diet then a clean bodybuilding diet.

dont expect to be putting on any kind of size with a diet like that.

[alwaysgrowing]

how would you lay your diet out using those principles?

wild deer

wild bore

antelope

weeds

? lol come on bro. its none sense.

if you want to eat clean and healthy and natural that is fine. but what you posted above is rubbish.

B, I wouldn't follow it exactly as laid out. It would still be chicken and fish based. I would drop all grains, and use fruits as carbs. I'd stay away from beans and peanut butter, and rely on almonds and olive oil.

I see nothing wrong with the way I eat now. But if something has the possiblity of working, why not give it a shot?

[Scrumhalf]

Well, the premise is actually interesting. The fact that things like gluten intolerance came after organized grain farming made significant changes to our diet, something that perhaps our bodies have not adapted to. I am skeptical of the scientific basis of some of the claims but I wouldn't dismiss it outright as nonsense.

[Bouncer]

how would you lay your diet out using those principles?

wild deer

wild bore

antelope

weeds

? lol come on bro. its none sense.

if you want to eat clean and healthy and natural that is fine. but what you posted above is rubbish.