M1T and 1,4ADDiol stack

[Fpot66]

I had a question about doing a stack of M1T at 10 mg ed and 1,4ADDiol at 500 mg ed.

Weeks 1-2 and 5-6 M1T 10 mg/ed
Weeks 1-6 1,4 ADDiol 500 mg/ed

Week 7 Nolva 40 mg/ed
Week 8-9 Nolva 20 mg/ed

I read a few posts on a couple different sites about using the M1,4AD at 30mg ed with M1T but, and maybe I am just looking in the wrong place but I couldn't find anything about the regular bulk 1,4ADDiol powder being used.

From the article on Bulk Nutrition, I read that a low does was 300-600 mg and a mild dose was 600-1000 mg, as such I figured that while stacking with M1T 10 mg/ed, a higher low dose would yield decent results.

Should I jack up the 1,4ADDiol to a higher dose when I am not on M1T, something on the order of 750-800 mg/ed?

So everyone doesn't get into an uproar for me not posting stats, here they are:

Age: 21
Ht: 5'10"
Wt: 235 lbs
BF%: 14.4%

Cycle Hist: many andro cycles (stupid high school mistake), 2 M1T cycles

Lifting experience: 7 years of lifting, 4 days per week, 1.5 hours per session, 2-3 days cardio per week usually 20-30 mins.

Diet: Decent diet, 5 days a week, hi protein (175-225g), mod carbs (around 100-150, low fat (usually under 50g). 2 days hi protein, hi carb, low fat.

If I am crazy or stupid just let me know.

Sorry about the length of the post, I just wanted to be thorough. Thanks for any replies.

Fpot66

[r_deese]

What goals do you have for this cycle? Are you wanting to gain weight/ increase strength or what? Lemme know, and I might can give you some advice on the doses. Also I really don't see why you want to run 1,4 ADdiol with m1t. You reall should just run a transdermal 4ad with it - easier on the liver since m1t is so tough on it, and it's cheaper in the long run.

[Fpot66]

I was just hoping for some size and some more vascularity and definition. I was thinking about doing some transdermal 4AD but I am not a fan of transdermals, even though they are cheaper and less intrusive in terms of liver values.

But also on another board I am a member of, Bulk Nutrition, the owner of Designer Supplements had some testers get liver values done and they showed that the vlaues were barely raised when stacking M1,4ADDiol at 20-30 mg/ed with M1T at 10mg/ed, as such I figured that the unmethylated version would have even less of an effect.

They are selling the 1,4ADDiol and dione powders in bulk there, and for as much as I would be buying it would only cost about $2.50 per gram.

Fpot66

[Fpot66]

Oh, forgot to mention, I will also be running a Clen/Eca rotation, 2 and 2.

Fpot66

[vicmack777]

I would not run the clen or eca durin the M1T because of blood pressure issues.

[Fpot66]

See, now this is the kind of info I was trying to find out. Thanks, now I won't blow out my arteries.

I guess I will run it beginning with my PCT. Unless ya'll figure I should give my BP a rest for a couple weeks then start cutting.

What about running the M1T solo and taking some 1,4ADD on an entirely different cycle with my clen/EC? Or is there a problem with blood pressure being especially elevated on 1,4ADD? I know I didn't read anything about a large rise in BP in the material I have looked at for 1,4ADD.

Fpot66

[r_deese]

The 1,4ADD does cause some heightened BP, but not as dramatic as the M1t. Hawthorne Berry should be supped on the side to help with this. Definitely don't run the clen/ec during the bulk part of the cycle. Don't run M1t alone b/c it causes alot of lethargy as well as libido problems. The 4ad will supplement it well and counteract these sides. If you choose to do both of the methyls, I would run 15mg of m1t ed, split into two doses one when you wake up and one when you go to bed. Dose the 1,4 @ 400mg per day, same schedule. Keep the 1,4 dose @ 400 throughout. You will definitely want to get some milk thistle and dose it midday @ about 1g just for liver precautions. Don't start your cutting cycle immediately.. I would suggest 4 weeks off to PCT and once your body has fully recovered then start your cutting. Just remember that the patience will help you keep the gains you get. You may also wanna get some Swole or v12 to take while on cycle. They supp well even though most of it's water retention.

[Fpot66]

I already have bothe Hawthorn Berry and Milk Thistle from my last M1T cycle. I probably should have gone over a list of everything I use earlier but I guess I could now:

Daily Multi
Omega 3's
Hawthorn
Milk Thistle
ALA
Stinging Neetle (Hair Loss)
Glutamine
Potassium and Magnesium
I have some creatine that I was going to begin soon.

I have plenty of nolva and have proscar, I was going to begin the Proscar at 1.25 mg ed because I am genetically prone to MPB and I want to lose as little as possible.

I know the finasteride will not help very much if at all with the M1T and 1,4ADD because they don't convert through the 5 alpha reductase (Or however it is spelled) but I only plan on using what I have left and then getting something that the finasteride can help with.

I was under the impression that Clen was slightly anabolic and could help during PCT to maintain gains. I did not mean a caloric defict cutting cycle but maintainance with increased HIIT cardio.

I ran the M1T by itself during the first 2 cycles, I was always somewhat lazy (I still had a good diet and workout program but did little else) but I didnt seem to be any more lethargic, I only notcied it after the cycle which was kind of strange.