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**Jarconis** · 05-27-04, 09:32 PM

why dhea? Why not m5aa?

**PacoXFL** · 05-27-04, 09:58 PM

i kinda thought the same thing but i've tried the m5aa and it seems to help but when i'm on dhea i feel much more energy kinda like i took some ephedrine or something its wierd ...but thats kinda what i feel when i take it and you do notice the difference .....the only bad thing about dhea when taken at high mg it gives you slight headaches at times i would keep it at 25 mg to be safe i'm on 50mg of dhea and 50 mg of m1t which before i was on 100 mg of dhea but i lowered it because i felt real edgy and got too moody....

**Fpot66** · 05-27-04, 10:04 PM

I hope you plan on getting some bloodwork done after your cycle. At 50 mg ed of M1T you would have to be crazy not to.

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**PacoXFL** · 05-28-04, 08:30 AM

bloodwork for what to see my levels of test?....and if i did where in the world would i go and do that?....clinic? i'm an old schooler , so this testing stuff is kinda new...the only thing i check is my blood pressure and my weight , which are fine last time i checked ...after this cycle gonna go on some zma, and M4OHN at 1mg every other day, and i might just add some Estrodex which i have been told is very good....i do have nolva but i wanna save it up for something i have planned in the future.......muahahaha...:cool:

**speedracer59** · 05-28-04, 10:05 AM

Good loard, 50 mgs of m1t . Are you taking anything for your liver?
Have you tried less? That sound like over kill to me. Most people say the get the same results off 20mgs as they do off 10. The sides just get worse.

**PacoXFL** · 05-28-04, 12:17 PM

to tell you the truth i havent seen much sides yet from the m1t yet just that i have a little ache in my back every once in a while...but my nutz are ok...i guess...thats what i was gonna ask what can i take instead of hcg/ i heard dmae was good for ur nutz....but anyway i dont feel the lethargy that everyone is saying and i have'nt gotten any gyno ....so far...i do take a natural sterols complex maybe thats whats combating it ( eventhough everyone says sterols are shit) but hey i heard beta-sitosterol is good for that shit....but anyway ....yeah i am taking about 3000mg flax oil and detox complex2
every last day of every cycle.......i dont know but if you have any comments on what i could take ...just spread the knowledge......i'm just looking to bulk up alittle then get cut ......one week heavy weight then another week lite wieght ect....ect....so get back at me ...i appreciate the comments

**beefcake** · 05-28-04, 01:33 PM

M1T doesn't aromatize so you won't have to worry about gyno, there won't be any progesterone to worry about. The dhea will convert though. Remember, when your liver goes, it's asymptomatic, you may not be feeling any androgenic sides, but who knows what the hell is going on in the liver. 50mg's is not even worth it, you'd probably get the same results from 20mg's.

**PacoXFL** · 05-28-04, 05:47 PM

do you suggest i take the dhea out because it converts i know it's two steps away from test and from estrogen.....what do you think ? what is the ratio of it converting to test instead of estrogen?
just wondering.....becuase i dont want no estrogen.....and oh yea what about the nutz thing what can i take i heard I3C is good and DIM is good also...

**r_deese** · 06-01-04, 12:18 AM

DHEA is a worthless stack w/ m1t... i myself have told you a hundred times to stack it w/ 4ad and everyone has agreed.... if you search your posts u'll see a million posts w/ something stacked with m1t. The results you are seeing are solely the m1t, but you really seriously need to cut back bad. 50 mg of that stuff is dangerous. You should be doing no more than 15-20 mg. You'll see the same results and you won't kill yourself. Get off the DHEA, get some 4ad, use 600mg of it per day, 15mg of m1t. And stop posting these redundant stacks that you make up... you obviously have done no research before this cycle and I'm pissed to see that you would put your body in that type of danger. You are why PHs are going to be banned just like steroids are. Freakin idiot.

**PacoXFL** · 06-02-04, 02:09 PM

sure i'm gonna take your word for it mister PHD, theres 4 people at my gym that tell me that dhea and m1t is a good stack...like i said before when they told me dhea is a joke ......and i still believe it .....but when i saw the puffiness disappear i liked it and thats all i agree on....and for the 20 mg....i saw nothing at that dosage for a week then i upped it to 50mg and i saw results....now i'm down to 5mg because my body got accostumed to the test .....and please refran yourself from calling me an idiot ....becuase you have no clue who i am...just like i dont know you nor do i care.....all i'm here is to express my opinion on a specific topic the topic was "dhea as a hardener" not the hypocricy of your opinion if i should take 50 mg of test ......so back the FUCK UP!!!!

:mad:

**r_deese** · 06-02-04, 03:04 PM

Look I just don't want you to screw yourself up permanently... Some people say running m1t @ 20mg per day for 4 weeks is like running Anadrol for 8 weeks @ 100mg per day. You obviously don't know what you're doing b/c you've posted at least 4-5 different m1t stacks. Hope you like boobs

**PacoXFL** · 06-02-04, 04:11 PM

nah...i dont see boobs do you....
......maybe your the one with the boobs ....
let it be known lets keep the convo sucker free.......and ah...if i wanna fuck up my liver ...then thats my problem.......and as for that 4-ad shit...i have stacked it with the m1t and seen no results what so ever....
....so STOP TELLING ME TO STACK IT WITH 4-AD BECUASE IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!!......
heres my cycle....

Tried 20 mg ed of m1t for one week.

No response.

then upped it to 50 mg ed for 2nd week
saw extreme results fast. (end of each week i took EZO-50 mg/falx seed oil-3000mg /Daily detox 2-950mg)

(and rested saturday and sunday)

after the 2 weeks i stopped and started

week 3 w/5 grams of creatine/w
3000mg of A-AKG to maintain mass.

week 4 i plan to continue to go with
w/5 grams of creatine/w
3000mg of A-AKG to maintain mass.
Add ZMA-100mg- with DIM-200mg
(And adding 7-oxo-dhea-100mg. i've decided that regular dhea is giving me headaches so i decided to switch to 7-oxo-dhea, first off it has the hardening benefits, and it helps burn fat but does'nt hender muscle gain.Plus it doesnt convert to test nor estrogen.)

Week 5 - regular workouts- just a multivitamin 1000mg--
w/zma-100mg-DIM-200mg

week 6 - plan on lowering m1t to 5 mg
ed.w/ 7-oxo-dhea

week 7 - Take 5mg m1t w/25mg of ephedrine/and 200mg of caffiene
for cutting-

and repeat week 3-4

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**vicmack777** · 06-02-04, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by PacoXFL
sure i'm gonna take your word for it mister PHD, theres 4 people at my gym that tell me that dhea and m1t is a good stack...like i said before when they told me dhea is a joke ......and i still believe it .....but when i saw the puffiness disappear i liked it and thats all i agree on....and for the 20 mg....i saw nothing at that dosage for a week then i upped it to 50mg and i saw results....now i'm down to 5mg because my body got accostumed to the test .....and please refran yourself from calling me an idiot ....becuase you have no clue who i am...just like i dont know you nor do i care.....all i'm here is to express my opinion on a specific topic the topic was "dhea as a hardener" not the hypocricy of your opinion if i should take 50 mg of test ......so back the FUCK UP!!!!

:mad:

Bro, with every post, your making yourself look more and more like an idiot. Settle down and listen to R. deese. He gave you some solid advice. Your seriously going to get hurt if you keep up your stubborn ways.

**vicmack777** · 06-02-04, 05:06 PM

Two more questions:

How old are you?

What are you doing for PCT?

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