DHEA/M1t...this combo works...

[r_deese]

Dude you're not gonna see any real results w/ m1t in one week. You'll gain a lil weight the first week, but nothing dramatic. The second week was when mine started to kick in. You're acting like these are miracle gro pills for ur body. You can't just take one and expect it to kick in that day and gain you 5 lbs mass and put 20 lbs on ur bench. It seems to me that you overestimate it. Also m1t is not test.... it's 1-test. there is a difference. this is the last reply i put on this thread b/c it's useless to argue with a buffoon

[PacoXFL]

hey vickmack...thanks man ....i appreciate the concern but i have tried the 4-ad and it wasnt that great.....and for my pct i have clomid/ and proviron, but i dont take it ...becuase my nutz are the same size and i have no gyno what so ever.....besides i dont plan on running m1t more than what i have left. I just wanted to gain a little muscle and then get cut......you people make things more than its supposed to be ...some people see results in different situations w/different supplements..not everyone is the same.....well anyway thanks for the feedback.....

[vicmack777]

Originally posted by PacoXFL
hey vickmack...thanks man ....i appreciate the concern but i have tried the 4-ad and it wasnt that great.....and for my pct i have clomid/ and proviron, but i dont take it ...becuase my nutz are the same size and i have no gyno what so ever.....besides i dont plan on running m1t more than what i have left. I just wanted to gain a little muscle and then get cut......you people make things more than its supposed to be ...some people see results in different situations w/different supplements..not everyone is the same.....well anyway thanks for the feedback.....

Im not going to argue with you but the PCT is necessary. Even if your nuts are fine, PCT is still a must.

[PacoXFL]

yea i know...your right i plan on
clomid 40/40/20/10
with 10 /10/10/5 of proviron
but i wanted to save that after i got my hands on some deca, and some winstrol
but i dont know yet my friend at my gym is gonna help me with the dosing on the deca and the winstrol. dont know yet its really an if for now.......but your right about PCT i do take soy/ isoflavones for PCT but people tell me its not enough, i also take DIM. The only problem i have is that i dont want to much mass because i practice martial arts and i need to be able to move around freely, if you have any suggestions on what to try to get cut i would appreciate it......as you can tell by my picture i dont have much mass and i plan to stay that way , i'm more cut than i was before i started working out, i find that 5mg of m1t and ephedrine/caffiene work ......

[beefcake]

Paco, don't take the proviron while you're doing pct. Proviron is not an endogenous test booster. Just take the clomid. The issue with the DHEA is that it can convert straight into estrogen and then it's pretty much doing you no good. I doubt the DHEA is what is giving you the hardening effect. It will probably end up making you retain water from the estrogen. If you don't want to gain any mass, then why are you taking these ph's?

[PacoXFL]

yea ur right ....thats why i switched dhea for 7-oxo-dhea, and as for the mass..i want some mass...but i want size and hardness, what do you think?

[beefcake]

Originally posted by PacoXFL
yea ur right ....thats why i switched dhea for 7-oxo-dhea, and as for the mass..i want some mass...but i want size and hardness, what do you think?

You'll want to stay away from anything that aromatizes to keep the bloating away. Lot of people get a big strength boost from m5aa but you said you didn't really benefit from it. M1T seems to be your best bet. Maybe even M-Dien or M4ohn. I've also heard good things about citrulline mallate stacked with arginine akg.

[PacoXFL]

thanks for the input ..gonna research that citrulline mallate....anymore ideas would be great.....

[Primal Instinct]

Originally posted by PacoXFL
thanks for the input ..gonna research that citrulline mallate....anymore ideas would be great.....

You mentioned headaches and attributed it to DHEA but you should know that M-1T can seriously elevate your blood pressure. At the 50mg level you stated that you were taking, you should be seriously concerned about this. Do yourself a favor and get your blood pressure checked often. You can do this at any pharmacy that has a sitdown machine for free. Also, it would be a very good idea to get some bloodwork done to get your liver values checked. High doses of M1-T can irreversibly harm your liver and eventually kill you. You say that you understand and don't care but I have a friend currently dying from liver failure (not from AAS/prohormones) and it is definitely not a pleasant experience. Possibly trading in your life to gain a bit of muscle is simply not worth it.

Incidentally, being muscular does not necessarily mean a loss of agility or quickness. Some examples of muscularity combined with agility and quickness include people such as Kevin Levrone (world class bodybuilder who can do full splits and is amazingly flexible), Shannon Sharpe, Bruce Smith (ran 4.3 second 40 yd dash), and some very amazing martial artist/TKO fighters like Phil Baroni, Ken & Frank Shamrock, and Andre Arlovski.

[PacoXFL]

thanks for the concern.....my sister is a doctor and i've had my blood pressure checked and she said its fine for my age ...
...being 23 ...she said its at where its supposed to be, as for my liver she told me as long as i drink plenty of water and was on some kind of dieuretic it would help out. like i said before i dont plan on running the m1t for more than what i have left......but thanks for the concern....
....and i also have a friend dieng from liver failure...and it isnt pretty, he take a shit load of horse pills to protect his liver, but i think he was born that way, and his skin looks really bad , he's got spots all over....wierd....well any thanks

[spidey]

I know of at least 2 people who nearly caused irreversable liver damage in record time on M1T. One of those people only took 12.5mg ed for two weeks and his AST levels were 900 (normal is 2-45). A week after stopping, his AST had shot up to 1400 and his doctor diagnosed him with drug induced hepatitus (severly inflamed liver). Had he gone another 2 weeks without checking or had upped his dose to 50 mg, he might have ended up in a casket.

50 mg M1T is extremely reckless and irresponsible. You aren't even taking anything to protect your liver. Good god man you are fucking poisening yourself! Go get your liver checked ASAP and PRAY it isn't too late. Liver damage often has no outward symptoms until it is too late. You can feel just fine and be in serious trouble.

You would have seen results in your second week at even 10mg or 15 mg ed without all the added danger.