Calling on the vets...again

[rippedsucka]

As i have mentioned before i'm 19 years old and a college basketball player. I've have been training hard and religiously for 3 years now. during that time i've gone from 135 lbs to 170 lbs with a very solid physique. of course the weights did wonders but obviously my body was still growing to. however, i think i have just about peaked out and i have really been searching hard for a supplement that can help me bust through this wall i've hit. the only supplements i have ever taken has been protein and creatine and currently only protein along with a good multi. i was extremely close to going the AS route but eventually decided against it. i was thinking that maybe a prohormone like 1-ad or m1t may be safer and have fewer sides but i was really hoping some guys with alot of experience could help me out again.

[YellowJacket]

Re: Calling on the vets...again

Originally posted by rippedsucka
As i have mentioned before i'm 19 years old and a college basketball player. I've have been training hard and religiously for 3 years now. during that time i've gone from 135 lbs to 170 lbs with a very solid physique. of course the weights did wonders but obviously my body was still growing to. however, i think i have just about peaked out and i have really been searching hard for a supplement that can help me bust through this wall i've hit. the only supplements i have ever taken has been protein and creatine and currently only protein along with a good multi. i was extremely close to going the AS route but eventually decided against it. i was thinking that maybe a prohormone like 1-ad or m1t may be safer and have fewer sides but i was really hoping some guys with alot of experience could help me out again.

I highlighted the key words for you. At 19, you're FAR from your genetic potential or peaking. Dont think that 35lbs was all due to the weight room, most of it is from just natural growth. Stick to protein, and maybe try a 'souped up' creatine, ie. Swole V2 or ISS Research's Satur8. Eat like its your job and avoid artificial hormones for a couple more years.

[r_deese]

i agree... you're not done and taking any sort of hormone/as is going to mess you up more than help

[rippedsucka]

Thanks fellas for the advice. man, its awesome having people who really know what their talking about be willing to help you out:D

[spidey]

Also, M1T is one of the harshest (if not THE harshest) AAS out there. It is more powerful than any other oral AAS I know of and also far more toxic. Many experienced juicers can't take the sides from M1T. Definitely not the one to start with if you do start.

[vicmack777]

Originally posted by spidey
Also, M1T is one of the harshest (if not THE harshest) AAS out there. It is more powerful than any other oral AAS I know of and also far more toxic. Many experienced juicers can't take the sides from M1T. Definitely not the one to start with if you do start.

M1T is not an AAS. Its a PS (pro-steroid)

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by vicmack777
M1T is not an AAS. Its a PS (pro-steroid)

Incorrect, its chemically classified as an AAS.

[spidey]

Originally posted by vicmack777
M1T is not an AAS. Its a PS (pro-steroid)

A "prosteroid" is simply an anabolic steroid that is legal. The term is used to distinguish legal from illegal anabolic steroids as opposed to prohormones which are converted in the body to a more active steroid. M1T is an AAS in every sense of the word. It is not converted into anything else in the body; it is in it's active form to begin with. It's legal status has nothing to do with it's biological activity.

[vicmack777]

Originally posted by spidey
A "prosteroid" is simply an anabolic steroid that is legal. The term is used to distinguish legal from illegal anabolic steroids as opposed to prohormones which are converted in the body to a more active steroid. M1T is an AAS in every sense of the word. It is not converted into anything else in the body; it is in it's active form to begin with. It's legal status has nothing to do with it's biological activity.

If you want to split hairs, cholesterol is a steroid also. How many sample cycles have you seen with cholesterol as a part of the cycle.:rofl:

Nobody really considers M1T as an AAS. Thats my point. Do you consider 1-test as an AAS?

[spidey]

Originally posted by vicmack777
If you want to split hairs, cholesterol is a steroid also. How many sample cycles have you seen with cholesterol as a part of the cycle.:rofl:

Nobody really considers M1T as an AAS. Thats my point. Do you consider 1-test as an AAS?

I find persistant ignorance to be very irritating. Not splitting hairs, just stating fact.

Look, I do have a Ph.D. in chemistry. You are unlikely to be able to teach me anything about the chemistry of steroids. Yes, cholesterol is a steroid, but not an anabolic steroid. It is in a different class so your analogy is flawed. I haven't heard about anyone using prednisone or dexymethasone in cycles either but then they are cortico-steroids, not androgenic steroids so that wouldn't make much sense.

Yes, 1-test absolutely is an AAS. It is a steroid (a chemical class). It does bind the androgen receptor (three times better than normal test actually) so it is an androgen by definition. It does have myotropic activity (again, greater than that of normal test); therefore it is anabolic. So let's see... It is androgenic and anabolic and it is a steroid....Yep, it fits into the description of an anabolic/androgenic steroid (AAS). In fact, it is a more potent AAS than normal testosterone. If you like, I can provide you with references from peer reviewed scientific journals (not self-serving muscle mags) to verify everything I have written.

What exactly makes 1-test not a "real AAS" in your mind? It's legal status? That is fixing to change. When it is as illegal as the others will it be a "real AAS" then? You people crack me up.

Is it the fact that when taken orally, it sucks? Well, eat your deca or test cyp and see how your gains are, LOL. It's a bioavailability problem. Since it has no 17-alkyl to protect it from liver oxidation, bioavailability is probably 20% or less. The same problem would be seen with ANY AAS without a 17-alkyl group. That's the major reason oral primo sucks. Is primobolin acetate not a "real AAS"?

All AAS are just chemical derivatives of testosterone to begin with. Add a 1,2 double bond to test and you have boldenone. Add a 17-methyl to boldenone and you have dbol. Take away the 4,5 double bond from dbol and you have M1T. Take away the 4,5 double bond from boldenone and you have 1-test. Add a 1-methyl to 1-test and you have primo. Take away the 1,2 double bond from primo and you have proviron. Get it? It's all just chemical manipulation of test to produce analogs with different anabolic and androgenic properties. So, you think 1-test is not an AAS but if you just add a methyl group on the 1 position, that IS an AAS, right? :rofl: Do you not see how silly that is?

BTW, Methyl 1-test does have a 17-methyl so the oral bioavailability problem is solved. The 17-methyl also changes it's androgenic and anabolic profile so it is really a totally different AAS than 1-test so comparing the two isn't really appropriate (except in a legal sense).

[shortz]

Originally posted by spidey


Look, I do have a Ph.D. in chemistry. .

And all this time I thought you were just a chemist. :D

[bigpetefox]

That hurt... :D

[goliath]

hey vicmack, how bout a nice big can of shut the fuck up? :rofl:

[hitmansb]

vicmack777 just got OWNED!

[Viral]

Chill out with the "owned" comments ect. For all we know u woulda chose his side if u had any say in the argument. The fact that his opinion/knowledge he thought he had aquired was possibly (Most likely) incorrect make him not a human? Wrong it makes him a prime example ;) We all make mistakes, especially with all the bad Info that floats around the whole world.

Anyway Spidey seeing now that u have come out with a little more show of what knowledge you have, Im intersted to learn about M1T in the forms of its androgenic/anabolic state, and as to if it being methylated changes it for better/adverse effects. Obviously it helps the bioavailablity making for better gains at lower doses of 1-test, but how does it change the state of the 1-testosterone. I noticed u stated it IS a different AAS so it is obviously still an Anabolic Steroid methylated or not, but Im just curious as to how much it changes. I always love to ask questions and learn as much as I can when I find someone with knowledge of value.