4AD

[Puma]

Where should I look on the web for a good price on a 4AD compound. Also, if anyone has any experiences with one supplier or manufacterer I would be interested to hear them.

Thanks,

Puma

[Timma]

There's two I would go with. I usually get mine from Lion Nutrition. You can also get it from 1fast400.com. The lion stuff works great imo. I love ordering from Lion. You'll get your stuff in two days.

[decadecadeca]

I just ordered some Dermabolics 4derm from 1fast. Have to let ya know how it goes. Their S1+ seems to get good reviews.

[beefcake]

1fast400.com has the best selection and prices on bulk powders. Service is great also. But why are you getting 4ad when you can get your hands on test?

[Puma]

I am running the test cycle right now, but I am not sure how long I am going to be able to get anything from the source I am using right now (and I hate dealing with him.. Fucking hood rat from my gym)..

Anyway, I thought it would be a good idea to get a few cycles worth of M-1-T, 1-T, and 4AD before all that stuff is no longer availiable..

Puma

Originally posted by beefcake
1fast400.com has the best selection and prices on bulk powders. Service is great also. But why are you getting 4ad when you can get your hands on test?

[Puma]

Inject?

Hmm.. Just reading though the info on 4AD.. Sounds like the way to use it is as a transdermal.. Does that mean that injection would be even better? And if so, should I be injecting the 4AD Cyp, or just regular 4AD..

Also, a dosing schedule would be helpful for both 4AD and 4AD-Cyp delived IM.

Thanks,

Puma

[beefcake]

Re: Inject?

Originally posted by Puma
Hmm.. Just reading though the info on 4AD.. Sounds like the way to use it is as a transdermal.. Does that mean that injection would be even better? And if so, should I be injecting the 4AD Cyp, or just regular 4AD..

Also, a dosing schedule would be helpful for both 4AD and 4AD-Cyp delived IM.

Thanks,

Puma

Transdermal is like 75% delivery and injection is 90-100%. So yea injection would be better to get more in the system, however it's a precursor, so it will still need to hit your liver to make it's conversion. Unfortunately, 4ad only has a conversion rate of around 15% or so. Transdermal dosage is usually around 300-600mg per day. Use the cyp to make an injectable.

[Puma]

How much/how often should I inject the cyp?

I think that I am going to stockpile the cyp version.. I hate transdermals.. It just feels like there are too many variables deciding how much you really get into you.. When you push that plunger down your pretty sure that 95% is going to be left in your ass. :)

Puma

[beefcake]

Originally posted by Puma
How much/how often should I inject the cyp?

I think that I am going to stockpile the cyp version.. I hate transdermals.. It just feels like there are too many variables deciding how much you really get into you.. When you push that plunger down your pretty sure that 95% is going to be left in your ass. :)

Puma

I've never used 4ad cyp but it seems like 200-250mg eod is the norm. I could be wrong though.

[r_deese]

I have a friend running it at 1g per week. I would do the same on the cyp. Most say you can't get your solution better than 300mg/ml, so u might wanna inject EOD

[Puma]

Prices..

The prices for the 4AD and 4AD cyp are really weird.. The cyp costs 5X as much? Why? If I am not mistaken, the only thing that they cyp would do is delay the release into your system. So wouldn't the 4AD be kind of like TNE? And if so, and it costs 1/5th the amount, I don't mind stabbing ED.. Or is there a solubiliity problem? Like you can't make a good injectable out of the 4AD? And it would seem like since the 4AD is supposed to be used transdermal that IM would be fine too, because it would just bypass the skin totally.. Not like the liver has to get involved, or like its a methyl.

Any help would be appreciated..

Puma

[beefcake]

Re: Prices..

Originally posted by Puma
The prices for the 4AD and 4AD cyp are really weird.. The cyp costs 5X as much? Why? If I am not mistaken, the only thing that they cyp would do is delay the release into your system. So wouldn't the 4AD be kind of like TNE? And if so, and it costs 1/5th the amount, I don't mind stabbing ED.. Or is there a solubiliity problem? Like you can't make a good injectable out of the 4AD? And it would seem like since the 4AD is supposed to be used transdermal that IM would be fine too, because it would just bypass the skin totally.. Not like the liver has to get involved, or like its a methyl.

Any help would be appreciated..

Puma

You can use regular 4ad but then you'll have to dose probably two to three times ed. With the cypionate ester attached, it "releases" its effects on the body over a longer period of time, which I believe around 14 days. So with cyp, you would only have to inject once or twice a week with a cypionate to keep blood levels high as opposed to injecting everyday.

[Puma]

That's what I thought..

Yeah, that is pretty much what I have always heard about the esters.. However, the price difference is crazy.. I would just inject ED and say forget the sustained release.. That way you would have better control over when you want to come off it as well, as I would imagine the no ester version is out in a few days..

Spidey, we need your help on this.. Any difference in these 2 substances, if both injected? And I am still looking for someone who has injected the no ester version, just to make sure there is no something funky about it (hurts like a bitch, makes your dick purple.. shit like that)..

Puma

[bhcpp]

I can't imagine cyp being 5x the cost of 4AD. I get cyp 250mg per cc in a 10cc bottle for $59. Thats enough to last 5 weeks at 500mg per week. Where can you buy 4AD for $12 that will last that long?

[beefcake]

Originally posted by bhcpp
I can't imagine cyp being 5x the cost of 4AD. I get cyp 250mg per cc in a 10cc bottle for $59. Thats enough to last 5 weeks at 500mg per week. Where can you buy 4AD for $12 that will last that long?

Bulknutrition.com $1 per gram of 4-ad powder, and $5 per gram of 4ad cyp.