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Originally posted by Coprolith
It's too bad we don't have that many members here.
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This is a huge board. The reason you won't get too many people here with opinions on Avant is that most here are concerned with important things like diet and nutrition...not looking to get some trivial edge with a worthless rip off of a supplement.Comment
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Feel free to ask any of the other Avant people or anyone on their forum about diet and training; we all agree that that is of prime importance. Just because the edge you got from a given supplement was trivial does not mean that that is how it be for someone else.Originally posted by glowalla
Again, if you felt it were a ripoff, why did you not contact them? Is it more convenient to seethe than to actually attempt to be constructive about something and possibly get your money back? I posted a link to the writeup on SesaThin. If you can refute the claims it makes, by all means, go for it. I didn't post saying it was the most amazing fatloss product ever or that it would work without proper diet and training, yet somehow you ignored that. I merely posted the link so that someone could read and decide for himself, just as you decided for yourself that it did not work.
And who said I was comparing Avant's research to that of pharmaceutical companies? They use animal research to accomplish useful things, ergo, animal research is not useless. I fail to see how you have refuted that premise.Comment
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arguing with your type (anyone from the avant crowd) is futile.
my favorite part about you people is that you all rally around and worship a 20yr old kid who "intelligently" uses the most dangerous substances available to bodybuilders "in the name of science."Comment
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Speaking of that, I deleted your link. You have already had a thread removed trying to advertise. Not only have you done it repeatadly another member of your company first contatcted me about the same time you joined. He asked the costs of advertising on this board. I sent him some info back and he never responded. So you need to stop trying to slip your advertisements in where you can. In fact if you want to stay on this board, take the link out of your signature and change your avatar.Originally posted by CoprolithComment
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The links in my signature and my avatar are meant to patently show others that I am indeed a rep so that my posts recommending various products are taken as exactly what they are: coming from a rep. Many other companies have shills who pose as normal posters but recommend their company's products with subterfuge, but the stance of Avant is to make it known who our reps are so that no such trickery can be suspected, but if you don't want links or an avatar representing it, then I will oblige.Comment
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The purpose of this board is to discuss fitness, nutrition. If that is what you are here for, then please stay. We have sponsers that carry an array of brands and products. For example, if you want to recomond to someone that a sesamin product would be something to try, that is fine. Telling them to try sesathin is outright single product promotion not carried by our sponsers.Comment
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i like how everyone at avant likes to use complicated words like "patently," "shills," and "subterfuge"--especially when they throw those words around with a bunch of scientific jargon that they themselves don't understand the half of. you must be quite the set of geniuses.Comment
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Originally posted by Shibby
indeed, several companies make sesamin products now and yours is no different from the rest.Comment
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There is obviously something more than discontent with SesaThin in play here. What exactly is the source of your hostility toward Avant? (directed to glowalla)
If not for my avatar or signature, my recommendation of SesaThin would have seemed like any other poster's, and I would be a charlatan. Is that more agreeable?Comment
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Strange that so many companies would copy something that clearly has no merit, no?Originally posted by glowallaComment
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If you are resorting to attacking my choice of words, then I really don't know how to respond. That's just silly.Originally posted by glowallaComment
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Avant has done well with marketing and building up a solid following in the online bodybuilding community. I respect their business skill in their successful shams, but there products are no more than shams. Other companies have made sesamin products because whether or not sesamin works, Avant has been able to convince people it does. Under that false belief, lots of people have bought it (that's the sham part).
What I have against avant is exactly what I wrote above.Last edited by infiniti1982; 12-21-05, 01:36 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by Coprolith
I was making fun of that because it just reminds me of how everyone writes on the avant board. A bunch of drop outs throwing around big words and copying and pasting a random PubMed study here and there to show they know what they are talking about.Comment
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I have a habit of taking arguments too far--on boards and in real life. So i'm just going to stop here.Comment
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