cell tech and nitro tech

[mappgh]

exactly what yellowjacket said!

[cookmic5]

Ummm.... not to contradict YJ, because he is by far more knowledgable than me, but...

This depends on whether your goal of putting on muscle and losing fat is a long term goal or short therm. If long term, then IM(extremly humble)O I would say this is possible. If you have a good diet (I put specific emphasis on this) you can cut body fat and still put on muscle. I believe YJ was generalizing based on the fact that your asking about two product that are generally unused by knowledgeable bros that are familiar with supplements. Most people that know use the separate supplement buying techinque (buy ALA, Creatine, Dextrose separate, see either YJ's recipe or my post earlier in this thread) to maximize cost and production efficiency. Since the question in this thread is about Celltech and Nitrotech, the combination aspect is problematic. If you isolate the supp's your buying, and your diet is solid, then you can better manipulate your gains, thus cut body fat and increase size at the same time.

This is not to contradict YJ's statement. His statement about "only your diet will determine you sucess" is paramount in his argument. If your bodyfat is already low i.e. below 10-12% (generalization this is open to argument) then you would usuallly, for most people, need to put on fat to gain significant weight/strenght. However, if your bodyfat is high it is very possible to cut body fat and increse weight with proper diet and lifting.

IMO, Celltech with Nitrotech will add bodyfat and increase strength if used properly (as well as deplete wallet size), however, isolation and manpulation of supplements will lead to better gains with higher potential for bodyfat loss (as well as benifit the wallet).

cm5

p.s. YJ please offer you opinions if I misinterpreted your last statement... I'm not in the business of contradicting mod's

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by cookmic5


This depends on whether your goal of putting on muscle and losing fat is a long term goal or short therm. If long term, then IM(extremly humble)O I would say this is possible. If you have a good diet (I put specific emphasis on this) you can cut body fat and still put on muscle. I believe YJ was generalizing based on the fact that your asking about two product that are generally unused by knowledgeable bros that are familiar with supplements. Most people that know use the separate supplement buying techinque (buy ALA, Creatine, Dextrose separate, see either YJ's recipe or my post earlier in this thread) to maximize cost and production efficiency. Since the question in this thread is about Celltech and Nitrotech, the combination aspect is problematic. If you isolate the supp's your buying, and your diet is solid, then you can better manipulate your gains, thus cut body fat and increase size at the same time.

Sure you can add lean mass and cut bodyfat all in the same 'cycle', more often than not its going to have to be with gear or a prestine diet or both. Any time oyu add lean mass, it will require your body to burn more fat at rest simply to maintain the new muscle. But by reading this guys info in this thread (ie. cell tech & nitro tech) I doubt hes intelligent enough (yet, not a knock in the least) to add lean mass and lose bodyfat at once. So its best to pack on some mass (muscle and fat) then use a separate scheme to lose the excess fat.

[cookmic5]

lets just hope he's intelligent enough not to jump directly to gear. IMO, anyone asking questions about Celltech and Nitrotech should be banned from buying gear. People like that are part of the reason for the initiative for banning PH's.

HeavyLineBacker, the moral of the story is DIET, DIET, DIET! Know what your putting in and why, and then you can start to understand and manipulate your gains and losses in both the size and body fat categories, just randomly taking one supp with another won't do it for you, there is NO magic pill (or powder for that matter).

cm5

[obscured78]

overrated, overpriced, need i say more?

[mappgh]

Originally posted by cookmic5
IMO, anyone asking questions about Celltech and Nitrotech should be banned from buying gear. People like that are part of the reason for the initiative for banning PH's.

cm5

You offer very good advice, but how are people supposed to learn if they don't ask questions? Especially with the ads muscletech puts out there, I'm surprised we don't here more questions about these products.


heavylinebacker - One drawback to celltech is the tendency to put on fat while supplementing with it. Personally, I did not have a problem with this, but many people I do know that did use it put on some unwanted fat. This was beneficial because the extra weight helped in gaining lean muscle mass, and when they did finally cut up it worked out pretty good for them.

[King Moose]

I've got to agree with everyone else when it comes to price and taste. But when I was on Nitro-tech alone i was very pleased. It DOES taste bad, put mine in and inch or two of water, mixed it with a hand blender gulped it down and had a glass of ice water to chase it with (no kidding!)