Havoc or Jungle Warfare... YJ???

[YellowJacket]

Well I'm talking about Havoc in particular. I have read a lot of reviews and a lot of people have posted screenshots of their bloodwork before and after taking it. Even with OTC PCT I have read dozens of reviews with no complaints.

I am still researching though, so if I'm wrong its cool because I havent made any commitments or ordered anything yet.

Havoc would be my choice. The efficacy of it versus sides is pretty favorable. With proper PCT and diet/training/rest... its an excellent PS.

Im about to run it myself and run Ragnarok starting the last week of Havoc to help maintain gains and strength.

[The_Grinder]

that is a common misconception. many pro hormones are far more dangerous and potent then say something like testosterone. just because something is legal does not make it any better or safe for your body.

Well I'm talking about Havoc in particular. I have read a lot of reviews and a lot of people have posted screenshots of their bloodwork before and after taking it. Even with OTC PCT I have read dozens of reviews with no complaints.

I am still researching though, so if I'm wrong its cool because I havent made any commitments or ordered anything yet.

[blm]

that is a common misconception. many pro hormones are far more dangerous and potent then say something like testosterone. just because something is legal does not make it any better or safe for your body.

Agreed. Especially in regards to liver toxicity.

[Bouncer]

I want to stick with something a bit milder than AS.

that is a common misconception. many pro hormones are far more dangerous and potent then say something like testosterone. just because something is legal does not make it any better or safe for your body.

[The_Grinder]

Grinder, I am curious why you chose PH over AS? Is it a matter of availability?

That, and since is the strongest thing I have put in my body past NO Xplode, I want to stick with something a bit milder than AS. Plus this way I can do a completely over the counter PCT. I thought about AS but I still think I have a lot more research to do before I go that route.

[Shibby]

Grinder, I am curious why you chose PH over AS? Is it a matter of availability?

[SonofBone]

WF/PW/GM is probably the best non-hormonal stack made. I am giving Universal's Shock Therapy/Storm a try in a week or so, Im pretty excited for that.

I'm living off of the PW right now. 3 consecutive weeks of over 500 minutes of cardio. In week 7 of 16 of preparation for an Olympic Triathlon. Will top out @ 740 in wk 14. Managing to keep my weight @ 185.

Have you changed your stance on NO products? You mention WF & Shock Therapy. Are these NO products or do they have safe ratios...or maybe enough anti-oxidant support?

[The_Grinder]

Yeah I was gonna run the Cylce support during the Havoc cycle, and their Post Cycle support afterwards. There is also a product made by I-Force called Reversitol. I was planning on just using the Post Cycle support, my left over cycle support, and Reversitol for my PCT. I'll look into the 6 oxo though.

[YellowJacket]

Thanks YJ. I was leaning that way anyway since it is a little stronger than JW.

Any advice on what to stack with Havoc to make sure I'm safe? This will be my first PH. How bout a PCT?

For PCT, some options are. Anabolic Innovations Post Cycle Support (Natural Test Booster), c Anabolic Innovations cycle Support (Liver Detox/BP Reg & Support. NOW Foods I3C (Indole-3-Carbonol) - Hormonal Support. Lean Xtreme (Cortisol Blocker), 6-OXO (Aromatase Inhibitor).

PCT could look like this:

Wk 1 through 4
1. post cycle support: 2 during the AM and 2 during PM
2. cycle support : 1 scoop a day until its gone/
3. NOW foods i3c: 3 mid-day.

Wk 5 through 8
-6 -oxo (400/300/200/100)

[YellowJacket]

That sucks to hear. Even low cred companies may have 1 or 2 good products. I'm hoping that Lean Dreams is their 1 good product. It helps me to sleep better, but I have been having some pretty dark dreams while on it.

Conversely, not all products that have good reviews will work for each individual. I've tried Orange Triad, Purple Wraath, Green Magnitude & White Flood. I like all of them w/the exception of White Flood. I can feel my energy pick up fairly quickly after taking it, but it bloats me and wrecks my digestive system for a few hours. I guess that is why they recommend taking a small dose first to test how the product will be received by your body.

WF/PW/GM is probably the best non-hormonal stack made. I am giving Universal's Shock Therapy/Storm a try in a week or so, Im pretty excited for that.

[The_Grinder]

yea i really want to give this stuff a try.

anyone got any reviews on it?

I have been reading up a lot on it on other forums. People really seem to like it. There is some debate as to whether one would be safe using strictly OTC supps for PCT or whether you actually need a research chem. like Nolva.

[COLOSSUS]

ppl really like epi

yea i really want to give this stuff a try.

anyone got any reviews on it?

[NYCmitch25]

ppl really like epi

[SonofBone]

ALRI is losing credibility fast.

That sucks to hear. Even low cred companies may have 1 or 2 good products. I'm hoping that Lean Dreams is their 1 good product. It helps me to sleep better, but I have been having some pretty dark dreams while on it.

Conversely, not all products that have good reviews will work for each individual. I've tried Orange Triad, Purple Wraath, Green Magnitude & White Flood. I like all of them w/the exception of White Flood. I can feel my energy pick up fairly quickly after taking it, but it bloats me and wrecks my digestive system for a few hours. I guess that is why they recommend taking a small dose first to test how the product will be received by your body.

[COLOSSUS]

I definitely wanna try epistane. heard nothing but good things about it. couple of my homies are gonna try it and let me know how it is.


i have a freind who gave jungle warfare a try. within a a couple days he noticed a complete mood change that he did not enjoy so be careful with that stuff