Anyone use Yok3d?

[lipripper]

def, got another good pump out of it today, ripped up the chest today, tri's are smoked as well...

[Ashop]

Well, I have used the free sample up over the last week. I got 4 workouts from the sample 3 tabs each work out, I took it 1.5 hours before I hit the gym (empty stomach). I used it in conjunction with Jack3d. I take the jack 30 min prior to the gym (2 scoops ).

I was "wired" in the gym, crazy energy and def felt the "pump" more. I liked it for the work out, I definatly noticed a big difference then with just the Jack alone. Gonna have to see what the price of this stuff is and see if I wanna do it as a stack prior to hitting the gym. Overall I liked it.

Now based on that... in some of your opnions, what good does the "pump" do that is gives you as far as gains, or is it just that..a pump for the work out and gone. Or does it translate into harder work, therefore better results?

Thats one reason I like sample packs with supplements. Nice to try it before you get the larger size containers.

[Scrumhalf]

Now based on that... in some of your opnions, what good does the "pump" do that is gives you as far as gains, or is it just that..a pump for the work out and gone. Or does it translate into harder work, therefore better results?

the pump is everything. the more you pump the muscle the more your stretch the tissue and force growth. more nutrients in the muscle etc..

i train for the pump only.

I have a slightly different take (big surprise :)) on this.

It entirely depends on how you get the pump.

The pump you get from supplements like these provide no direct benefit. In other words the pump itself is useless, but if the supplements can give you energy and can turn a mediocre workout into an excellent one, then you derive benefit.

The pump you get from ingesting decent protein and carbs pre workout is however extremely beneficial in that it is directly anabolic.

[Bouncer]

scrum, the extra pump you gain makes you look fuller/bigger. The mental effect of that alone is huge. You say these supps are worthless but have you ever used them? They have an effect bro, there is no denying it.

[Scrumhalf]

scrum, the extra pump you gain makes you look fuller/bigger. The mental effect of that alone is huge. You say these supps are worthless but have you ever used them? They have an effect bro, there is no denying it.

I was just talking about the direct effect. There is no evidence for any NO product having any direct physiological effect on metabolism and therefore muscle growth. Like I said, it it makes you have more energy and mentally makes you feel stronger and look fuller, then great it serves a purpose.

[Bouncer]

I was just talking about the direct effect. There is no evidence for any NO product having any direct physiological effect on metabolism and therefore muscle growth. Like I said, it it makes you have more energy and mentally makes you feel stronger and look fuller, then great it serves a purpose.

yea but again, your speaking on it without trying it.

the mental and physical effect it gives you in the gym makes training without it seem a bit boring.

you dont think being more pumped and agressive in the gym leads to growth?

[Scrumhalf]

yea but again, your speaking on it without trying it.

the mental and physical effect it gives you in the gym makes training without it seem a bit boring.

you dont think being more pumped and agressive in the gym leads to growth?

I have not tried it, so I take your word that it enhances the quality of your workout and therefore indirectly leads to growth. My only point is that it does not DIRECTLY lead to growth in a physiological or metabolic way.

I think we are in violent agreement. :)

[Bouncer]

no, the enhanced pump that it gives you while training is certainly a direct form of benefit. the more pumped the muscle the more nutrients,blood, oxygen etc.. being shuttled in setting the stage for more growth compared to without.

[lipripper]

Well all I know is today I slipped out of work at lunch for a work out. I took that yok 1 hr 45 min before I hit the gym, I took the jack 30 min before I hit the gym. I came outta there sweating my ass off, Chest and tris felt tight 2 hours after I left the gym. Not sure what the scientific approach is to this combination, but I know it seems to make me work harder(or at least i think I do) and I damn sure feel the work out more when I'm done. That in itself has got to have some benifit I would think. I'll know in about 6 months, good food, whey, creatine and these two as a stack prior to gym starting this month. Time will tell.

Not sure how you "big guys" will feel about this, but I feel its damn sure working on my skinny ass!

[Djanthum]

no, the enhanced pump that it gives you while training is certainly a direct form of benefit. the more pumped the muscle the more nutrients,blood, oxygen etc.. being shuttled in setting the stage for more growth compared to without.

Bouncer you gave it a go? Whats your verdict?

Isnt there an easy explanation ...more blood to the desired body part? Isnt that what a pump is? If it works...who gives a fuck what studies show? As long as it works. USP Labs have shown how the nitrates work via whichever pathway. ...i uploaded this last time. Ill admiti have no clue what the fuck theyre on about but its proving they know what theyre on about.

[Bouncer]

used it today, not sure i had any more of a pump then i usually do while being on test and jacked. lol. will give it a few more try's before i come to the conclusion of if i would buy it again or not.

[henry]

got this topical cream called "Ignite" and another called "xcelerate" was insane. you put the ignite on 30mins pwo and lifting your gym bag getting out of the car you get a pump. I couldnt believe it. I used it on shoulders and kept the whole area warm and pumped. Then you put the xcelerate on to cool and speed up repair.

way better than yok3d imo. Charles Poliquin endorses it and its not even his own product. Check him out here Pre-Workout Topical - YouTube

[Bouncer]

used it today, not sure i had any more of a pump then i usually do while being on test and jacked. lol. will give it a few more try's before i come to the conclusion of if i would buy it again or not.

maybe its nothing but last night (like 12-13 hours after i took the yoked) i was a lot more pumped brushing my teeth and shaving. im not kidding, it was fucken weird, like the feeling you get after you leave the gym on arm day and cant touch your face from the pump. no way that shit lasted some 12 hours did it?

i didnt notice anything in the gym though. maybe it takes longer to kick in for me then 2 hours?

[lipripper]

maybe its nothing but last night (like 12-13 hours after i took the yoked) i was a lot more pumped brushing my teeth and shaving. im not kidding, it was fucken weird, like the feeling you get after you leave the gym on arm day and cant touch your face from the pump. no way that shit lasted some 12 hours did it?

i didnt notice anything in the gym though. maybe it takes longer to kick in for me then 2 hours?

IDK, I wouldn't think so. Maybe it has something to do with you being on test and using it?

[Djanthum]

I usually take it 2 and half to 3 hours minimum before workout. Im not on anything so it works a charm for me.