M 1T

[Primal Instinct]

I hope that this isn't considered a thread jack... What is the concensus of experienced M1T users out there getting bloated while on cycle and what could cut down the bloating, if it occurs?

Psyko and Vickmack- Don't underestimate the effectiveness of S1+ or T-1 Final. They are both VERY good stacks and you will defintely see great gains if you eat enough to grow. I agree with Cogar that using a transdermal first is the safest way to assess your body's tolerance level to prohormones. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a great physique. Good luck and be safe.

[prolangtum]

Some get bloated while on, androgens that do not aromatize can cause bloat. I had a small amount of bloat on my abs during the 2nd week, nothing bad. An ACE inhibitor such as catatropil could be used, 50mgs 3 x per day. You can find it for $6 at mastersmarketing.com.

[Primal Instinct]

Sweet! Thanks, Pro :D

[lxorl]

Fyi from what i have been seeing , most run their M1t at 30mg/ed

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by lxorl
Fyi from what i have been seeing , most run their M1t at 30mg/ed

Hopefully they've done more than ph cycles.. I ran 20mg a day, felt like the walkin' dead, brother..

[psyko1]

Originally posted by bigpetefox
Hopefully they've done more than ph cycles.. I ran 20mg a day, felt like the walkin' dead, brother..

What do you mean?

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by psyko1
What do you mean?

Well, the "1-test flu" is 10x worse, this stuff makes you feel "sick", yet once you stop, you're fine.. Then, the lethargy hit me hard at 20mg ED.. I'm on 10mg ED now, and I feel fine.. Pumped and hard, but fine.. :)

Oh yes, look out for high blood pressure, lowerback pumps, dry joints, and headaches over 20mg a day..

[labrad]

Originally posted by bigpetefox
Well, the "1-test flu" is 10x worse, this stuff makes you feel "sick", yet once you stop, you're fine.. Then, the lethargy hit me hard at 20mg ED.. I'm on 10mg ED now, and I feel fine.. Pumped and hard, but fine.. :)

Oh yes, look out for high blood pressure, lowerback pumps, dry joints, and headaches over 20mg a day..

Thanks for setting everyone straight Pete(10mg/day seems to be the right amount for most). I know Prolangtum took 30-40mgs/day, but that is a different story altogether.

[Cogar]

Originally posted by INTIMID8OR3
I bought some of the M1T for a friend that would never take AAS they wanted something that was "SAVE "and legal if they take this @5mg a day will it be save for him to take ......I know thats a small dose but the health issue comes first in this case??? What do you think?? Will 5mgs be save to take for a month ?? Thanks for any help with this !!!!!!

A bro over at AM is doing a cycle on 5mg ED. At this time he has been on for 5 days or so.

If your friend is concerned about safety, I would strongly encourage him to supplement with milk thistle, NAC, CoQ10 and hawthorne berry while on, and probably during PCT as well. (Hepatotoxity is an unknown, so this will make him safer. I don't think anyone can categorically state M 1-T is safe, though.) I don't know about running a cycle for a whole month. As you probably know, very few people go more than two weeks on M 1-T unless they have had previous experience with regular gear. (Gains typically decrease after the first two weeks on M 1-T anyway, but that is at higher doses, so who knows what it would be like at 5mg ED?) I do know that developing sides when you go beyond two weeks is often reported by those who take 10mg ED or more.

[bigpetefox]

You shouldn't take liver protectants other than NAC or ALA during the cycle.. Milk Thistle is strong enough to possibly either make the M1T useless, or further stress your liver..

Best bet, take 1g a day for 2 weeks prior, then 1.5g after your last tab.. ;)

[vicmack777]

Originally posted by bigpetefox
You shouldn't take liver protectants other than NAC or ALA during the cycle.. Milk Thistle is strong enough to possibly either make the M1T useless, or further stress your liver..

Best bet, take 1g a day for 2 weeks prior, then 1.5g after your last tab.. ;)

What about with S1+?

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by vicmack777
What about with S1+?

That's just high-octane 1-test transdermal, milk thistle is fine.. :)

Might not need it, no c17-AA to deal with on that product..

[Cogar]

Originally posted by bigpetefox
You shouldn't take liver protectants other than NAC or ALA during the cycle.. Milk Thistle is strong enough to possibly either make the M1T useless, or further stress your liver..

Best bet, take 1g a day for 2 weeks prior, then 1.5g after your last tab.. ;)

That is something to consider, but realistically how much does milk thistle hinder gains? I bet not much, since I gained ~ 1/2 lb. a day (at 10mg ED) while taking milk thistle, NAC, and all the rest. My point is, even if it did hinder gains 15% (a number I pulled out of the air), it would equate to perhaps 1 lb of muscle in two weeks. I imagine most people would rather play it safe and protect their livers for 1 lb. of muscle. I would, anyway.

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by Cogar
That is something to consider, but realistically how much does milk thistle hinder gains? I bet not much, since I gained ~ 1/2 lb. a day (at 10mg ED) while taking milk thistle, NAC, and all the rest. My point is, even if it did hinder gains 15% (a number I pulled out of the air), it would equate to perhaps 1 lb of muscle in two weeks. I imagine most people would rather play it safe and protect their livers for 1 lb. of muscle. I would, anyway.

True, but we must take in account that we are all different.. One guy already posted that his liver got screwed by this, my liver values never moved while on according to my last blood work..

Your liver works overtime trying to repair itself with the milk thistle, then it's struggling with the c17-AA on the M1T.. That's all I'm saying..

[bigpetefox]

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10018

There's too many damn abstracts and studies to cut/paste all day with. :)

It's inconclusive, really.. Some studies say not to use milk thistle with hepatoxic products, some don't say otherwise..