Training disagreements!

[wheyman]

For a while now I have been doing polls asking opinions about different training styles. The problem is I can't find anything to be consistent. It's a given that everyone is going to have their own style and beliefs when it comes to training, but I feel that a lot of opinions that I have received were from "powerlifting" style fellas.

My issue is ARMS!

Some have said that it is a waste to work arms on their own day and others say that they do the whole back/bi, chest/tri thing. I asked a local trainer what is thoughts were on arms with someone that is lacking in the area. He said that yes you hit arms during back, chest and shoulders, but it isn't quality work that you putting in. In other words you may be hitting tri's during bench or military press, but you aren't hitting the same way as you would doing dips, skullcrushers, etc... He said that if you wait until the end of your chest work then you arms will already be fatigued.

I noticed that when I tried this style that I couldn't get up half the weight as I could when doing arms on their own day. To me it would seem that whatever bodypart you working you would want to isolate that area as much as possible while using as much weight keeping good form. This can't be done if they are fatigued from prior work.

On the other hand I can see where it would be easy to overtrain your arms working them on their own day b/c you don't have sufficient rest after chest and shoulders. I personally love to work bi's and tri's together b/c of the pump I get. I know that the pump has nothing to do with growth, but it still feels like I did something. I felt weak when I did arms with back or chest b/c I couldn't put any good weight.

The way I see it is you hit delts during chest right?? You still do shoulders on another day anyway so what's the difference? What do you guys think on this? Please only bodybuilding style guys, powerlifters seem to have a different approach on everything that will not meet my goals.

WM

[beefcake]

I do arms on their own day. Mostly because bi's and tris' are antagonist muscles and complement each other. Also I figure that bi's and tri's are small muscles and recover quickly, therefore, it they are getting worked during back and chest/shoulder day, it's not detrimental to growth. And like you said, I can't lift for shit after i've worked another muscle group and I want to be able to exert my maximal effort, which is a reason why I only work one muscle per day.

[Taylor]

i'm currently doing the bi's/back...tri's/chest and before hand i did the arms one day, chest one day, back one day, legs one day, etc...

i've gotten bigger and stronger doing the bi's/back...tri's/chest setup but I think that may be in part to i started taking swole v.2 when i switched up my routine

i do know what your saying about feeling weak after you bench for example, you can't throw up nearly as much doing skullcrushers as you would if you didn't bench before hand....so i usually switch it up like if i work my chest really hard on monday and then end with tri's and my front/side shoulders, then thursday or friday...whenever i get back to my chest/tri day I'll start off with working my tri's directly then my shoulders...then i'll finish up on my chest

generally i start with my chest but say every 2 or 3 workouts i'll switch it up and that way i know i'm hitting my tri's or shoulders with the max weight i can handle and i'm not working them fatigued every single time.

[Shibby]

Of course you are going to have to find what works best for you. But alot of times I see people loosing form when doing that kind of routine due to fatigue. I would take a look at how that is, drop some weight to get a good feel, then slowly move back up. It all comes down to fiber recrutment and if you are not keeping your form, then it's the momentum and joints doing the work. Whether you are fatigued or not, you still need to try and recruite more fibers while doing a lift.

[Primal Instinct]

I think that whatever bodypart is lagging should probably have their own session or at the very least, work that body part first on whatever predetermined training day in the mix while your energy level is up. Bringing something like arms up should probably be done maybe between the legs and back/chest workouts because smaller muscle groups generally recover faster than large bodyparts and they'll be fresh for chest/back workouts in the following days. Just my opinion...

[wnabeabeast]

Well the old rule of thumb is push and pull.If you gonna do a chest and arm rutine it should be chest and biceps you already worked your triceps during the chest anyways so what is the point of beating your triceps up by doing more triceps?So that leaves you with back and triceps.If I do my biceps and triceps bythemselfs I make sure to rest couple of days before I do them,like I do my legs and maybe even take a day off after the legs and then do my arms.