upper back thickness and size

[BBAddict]

a great middle trap exercise (and I hope people realizet that the trapezius muscle goes almost all the way down the middle of your back). Take a rowing bar that has parallel handles about 1 and 1/2 feet to 2 feet separating them. Put it on a low row machine and do the exercise and really focus on bringging your shoulder blades together.

Yeah, that's what I was calling wide grip rows. I don't know what the technical name for them is but they work!
As far as the trap, that's why I don't get why people do them on shoulder day when they are so much part of your back--but we don't need to have that discussion again!

[Taylor]

Yeah, that's what I was calling wide grip rows. I don't know what the technical name for them is but they work!

bent over bb rows? that's one of my main exercises for the back with a palm down grip....i dont know if its the exactly the same as what your talking about because my grip is approx. shoulder width apart, sometimes i'll bring my hands in or out a couple inches in hopes of working a slightly different angle, it probably doesn't do make a whole lot of a difference though

[Narkissos]

DEADS!!!

ditto... My favorite exercise.

[Narkissos]

There's a low-pulley row variation i do to hit specifically the middle traps.

I position myself on a low-pulley...using the V-bar.

Instead of rowing to my abdomen...i row to my chest...keeping my elbowsat almost 90º to the floor...squeezing my scapulae together at the point of peak contraction.

[tiny pinder]

thanks narkissos, will give them a go