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[Shibby]

I think plyos' get a little misinterpreted(sp) due to some functional results. But there are better options. Figure out what muscles are involved in a particular function. Get those stronger. Then apply the motion of CNS you are trying to use on it's own. CNS is pretty specific to the movement preformed.

[shortz]

I think plyos' get a little misinterpreted(sp) due to some functional results. But there are better options. Figure out what muscles are involved in a particular function. Get those stronger. Then apply the motion of CNS you are trying to use on it's own. CNS is pretty specific to the movement preformed.

Now that I can agree with.

I am basicly refering to the the entire CNS for general purposes.

[Stonecold54]

BTW, the terms functional and structural are common knowledge, I am suprised to see you debating it.

the earth used to be flat to as common knowledge, it also used to be the center of the solar system....my only point is that what is common is not always right.

[Stonecold54]

Bending over with good form to pick something up is not an every day thing? Pushing objects are not something done in every day life? You are being silly with your analogy of "Using a barbell for everyday life". I am referring to the SAID principle...specific adaptations for imposed demands....specific is specific there is no almost specifc. there is no transference of ability from the gym to real life. Go to the gym to get healthier, bigger and stronger but you must practice whatever it is you want to get better at by doing that specific task

Nueromuscular strength takes frequency to build it the fastest. This is why an Oly lifter does his Oly lifts numerous times per week to build up his CNS weeks before a comp. Answer this...if I were to do pullups everyday, would I get better at them faster everyday or doing them once per week? Frequency will most certainly make you better. I don't have an problem with these statments as far as being factual...though they would be taken out of context for a proper weight training program...but you are right if I wanted to get better at pullups (such as if I was training for a test or something) then I would increase the frequency, but you will have to agree that there is a quick level of diminishing returns to that type of logic based on what we know about stress physiology and how the body responds

Can you run a 40 in 4 secondsI don't think so :D ? Do you think before training properly, all athletes can do this of course not all....there are few absolutes in the world but I am sure there are some ? If plyos and these functional systems do not work, then how are they improving their times and their ability to jump higher Okay here is an experiment....have these atheletes stop practicing anything in their sport for 1 year and only do stuff in the gym...do you think they would be able to the same amount or improve on times? You are getting the cause and effect mixed up and sometimes there are factors in life that don't have any impact even though there is a perceived impact ? They should be able to do that without them, right? Well, they tried and found that the training is not as effective as functional training and plyos if the "they" you are referring to is the same people who do the same 2 studies over and over and then reference themselves in the new studies or reference old studies which have been proven to be faulty or false, then I don't think I will take "Their" word for it.

I would still recommend to read at least most of the books on the www.exercisecertification.com website....I think you will like the brain stimulation of it.

http://www.exercisecertification.com...lyometrics.pdf

[Stonecold54]

Now that I can agree with.

I am basicly refering to the the entire CNS for general purposes.

lol...shibby pretty much said the same thing I was saying about plyos just in different terms...you can't agree with him and disagree with me. :bbq:

[shortz]

Stone, have you read this book?

http://www.exercisecertification.com...e-Science.html

[shortz]

Ok, lemme ask you this. You are arguing everything that I am speaking of, that these things I have said are general census and that you challenge them. Tudor Bompa is a major advocate of plyometrics, has a long history of track and field, rowing, and strength training. What crudentials do you have that suddenly disproves a lifetime of someone's work like this?

Stone, you sort of have a way with belittleling people when discussing training theory, this is why I feel I can discuss things or perhaps agree with what shibby is saying. Look at his replies. You will see that his points are not only educated and valid, but he does it with tact. You are very abrasive with your replies. I wanted to just end this discussion, but I just needed to get this out.

So, can you ever be wrong?

[Stonecold54]

Stone, have you read this book?

http://www.exercisecertification.com...e-Science.html

Well that is a sort of compliation...I own most of those as individual books. But I have read them all.

[Stonecold54]

Ok, lemme ask you this. You are arguing everything that I am speaking of, that these things I have said are general census and that you challenge them. Tudor Bompa is a major advocate of plyometrics, has a long history of track and field, rowing, and strength training. What crudentials do you have that suddenly disproves a lifetime of someone's work like this?

Stone, you sort of have a way with belittleling people when discussing training theory, this is why I feel I can discuss things or perhaps agree with what shibby is saying. Look at his replies. You will see that his points are not only educated and valid, but he does it with tact. You are very abrasive with your replies. I wanted to just end this discussion, but I just needed to get this out.

So, can you ever be wrong?

I have heard that all my life...I guess its something I can't help. I don't use extra words to explain something if it only takes 4 words to do it. I have been wrong lots of times in my life but I learn to change and adapt. Would it suprise you that I used to be a major advocate of the very things you are talking about? But when I discovered Mike Mentzers writings he opened me up to a whole other world as far as THINKING about training. Even mike was wrong about his consolodation programs. You seem to hold a lot of merit in "popular" people or people that come with a lot of intials after their name. I don't. One thing I know is that school isn't a gurantee that anyone knows one thing about what they are talking about. Look at all the people who talk about steroids who sound like complete morons and they are supposedly "educated". Life isn't about credentials...its about discovering truth through logic, scientific method and good sense. I have read all the people you have talked about. Have you read anything that I have posted? I have been on both sides of the argument and i have chosen my path. It might be changed or modified as more information is discovered in the future but the general principles or Prescribed Exercise Theory will always be true since it is able to adapt with new knowledge. sorry if I came off like an ass. I hope people look past the person to the words.