My back has yet to get any stronger.

[NewbieChris]

Since I have changed my diet, I've noticed improvements in strength. Nothing extreme, but improvements non-the-less. However, I can't seem to get my back any strong. About two weeks ago I switched to this workout to see if it would make any difference...
http://superiormuscle.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=30934

Any suggestions or tricks of the trade would be welcomed...Thanks.

[beefcake]

The problem with that workout is that the only time deads are incorporated, are on leg day with romanian deads. To build a strong back, you have to do some bent leg deads. I usually do bb rows, followed by db rows or t-bar rows, then deads, and then some pull-ups or pull down's as a finisher. However, I also only do one muscle a day. So one day will be dedicated to just back. I couldn't do anything else afterwards anyway.

[coffee-guy]

Just stick with the program for a little while longer - if you're still not seeing the strength gains you want then you can revamp the workout to mirror a strength training routine - lower reps and so on...

Like beefcake said though - throw in some true deads every now and then to work on overall power etc....

[NewbieChris]

I should have specified that I was doing a different, strength building, routine before. I'm kind of getting frustrated because of the lack of results...

[coffee-guy]

I should have specified that I was doing a different, strength building, routine before. I'm kind of getting frustrated because of the lack of results...

Post everything you got going on bro - sets, reps, amount of weight you're lifting/were lifting, frequency of lifting, diet, rest and so on...

Of course if all else fails Test is always an option :D....

[Stonecold54]

do you find that your biceps are failing out on you on pulling movements? does your back get a good pump when working it out? i know for myself I have to do pullovers BEFORE i do my back workout to pre-fatigue my lats, otherwise my weak spots give out before i can really hit my lats with any type of weights. and if your biceps/pulling helpers are fast twitch they will fatigue quickly and your back won't get an effective workout.

[NewbieChris]

do you find that your biceps are failing out on you on pulling movements?

This is something that I am thinking is an issue. I find that if I use heavier weight I feel the pump in my arms and not my back...then if I go too light and squeeze long and hard at contraction I can get a reaction from the back muscle, but even after 4 weeks of that they were not getting any stronger. There must be something I am doing wrong.

Fog_hat, I will when I get a chance, I've been really busy the past few weeks.

[beefcake]

This is something that I am thinking is an issue. I find that if I use heavier weight I feel the pump in my arms and not my back...then if I go too light and squeeze long and hard at contraction I can get a reaction from the back muscle, but even after 4 weeks of that they were not getting any stronger. There must be something I am doing wrong.

Fog_hat, I will when I get a chance, I've been really busy the past few weeks.

Seems you may not have yet find the ability to really focus the lats. It takes time to do it, and a lot of it depends on your form. Best thing for you to do is to do what SC said and pre-fatigue your lats first before you attempt any rowing movements. Do pull-downs or db pull overs first to try and hit the lats before your bi's weaken. In order to gain any strength, you have to go heavier.

[NYCmitch25]

Are you a powerlifter or bodybuilder? What are your goals?

That is a great routine but not conducive to building strength for most.

[Ashop]

FOR BACK dedicate full workout for itself. do deadlifts, chins, rows in workouts.

[NewbieChris]

Okay, I'm going to try that. Thanks for the advice. Sorry it took so long for me to respond, I have been really busy the past few weeks.

[Ashop]

Since I have changed my diet, I've noticed improvements in strength. Nothing extreme, but improvements non-the-less. However, I can't seem to get my back any strong. About two weeks ago I switched to this workout to see if it would make any difference...
http://superiormuscle.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=30934

Any suggestions or tricks of the trade would be welcomed...Thanks.

i think adding chinups, deadlifts, rows are essential to back training.

[Timma]

i think adding chinups, deadlifts, rows are essential to back training.

Chinups definitely help. Also rock climbing does if you want to take that up. But once I started doing pullups and chinups my back strength went up big time.

[NYCmitch25]

Sup Timma
were have you been bro?

[Control]

Since I have changed my diet, I've noticed improvements in strength. Nothing extreme, but improvements non-the-less. However, I can't seem to get my back any strong. About two weeks ago I switched to this workout to see if it would make any difference...
http://superiormuscle.com/vbulletin/...ad.php?t=30934

Any suggestions or tricks of the trade would be welcomed...Thanks.

What are your stats(size and strength)? I train for size and I trai my clients for size, but strength usually comes along with it. I don't emphasize strength the way DC and some others do.