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  • Dorian Yates - The issue with flat bench

    Q What's with the recent controversy over the bench press? It used to be considered the most important chest exercise, and now a number of pros say it isn't any good. Is it?

    A The controversy originates not in the value of the bench press as an exercise for building chest mass so much as in the blind acceptance that it is categorically the best chest exercise for every person on earth. For most, yes, for some, no--I happen to belong to the latter group.

    To benefit from the flat bench press, you have to be built for it. Your body structure must be such that the length of your arms in relation to your torso allows your pectoralis muscles to move through their full range of motion with maximum strength and to be fully fatigued before other muscle groups become involved. If that occurs for you, then stay with the flat bench press--nothing will give you faster gains in your pecs.

    If, however, you are like me, find another movement or variation that works better. For me, flat benches are awkward and limiting; with my biomechanics, the target of the press is shifted away from my pecs and onto my deltoids. Sure, I developed great delts, but my upper chest was not being worked as I'd hoped. No matter how hard I tried to salvage the movement by shifting my position or altering my form, I only made it worse.

    EXERCISE

    Bench presses (incline, if necessary) 2-3* 15-20
    Bench presses (incline, if necessary) 3 6-10
    Seated Hammer Strength presses 2 6-10
    Flat-bench dumbbell presses 2 6-10
    Flat-bench dumbbell flyes 2 6-10

    NOTE: This is Votes' suggested set-and-rep scheme
    for beginners and intermediates. Yates himself
    performs one working set per exercise.

    * Worm-up sets
    Eventually, I discovered that what worked best for most people did not work best for me. I had to lose my fixation with the flat position and instead elevate the bench slightly. This changed my pressing angle enough to shift the stress away from my front delts and back onto my upper pecs.

    The incline I used, however, was very low. Any higher and it would again become another front delt exercise. I recommend that you start with a flat bench that can be adjusted upward in small gradations; the best angle for me is less than 30 degrees.

    At the same time, I also changed my mental approach. No longer did I simply try to power up as much weight as possible. Instead, I concentrated on feeling the contractions of all of the muscle fibers in my chest. The sensation I got from this switch--a deep, full, tight pump--is one I appreciate to this day.

    The bench press remains a superior movement, and it may be so for you, but only if you learn these lessons, as I did. First, it's not an ego exercise, so don't use it to see how much you can bench; use it to build your pecs. Second, adapt the exercise to your body rather than vice versa--if you feel it more in your chest muscles when you're on a flat bench, then that's the position you should use; if you feel it more at a specific angle, use that angle. Third, control the movement so that you feel the pump build in your pecs, right where you want it.



    By Dorian Yates

  • #2
    i must be in the latter category myself. feel flat bench only in delts.

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    • #3
      I am in the latter catogory too I hardly do flat bench.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rado
        Not many guys do bench period.
        umm, not sure what gym you go to but everyone and their mother do bench. it is the single most popular exercise. that and curls. every little school boy trying to get big for summer does bench and curls. fuck are you smoking.

        DB flat bench hits the chest better.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
          umm, not sure what gym you go to but everyone and their mother do bench. it is the single most popular exercise. that and curls. every little school boy trying to get big for summer does bench and curls. fuck are you smoking.

          DB flat bench hits the chest better.
          true...cant even find a free bench in the gym at times

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          • #6
            i've always been a much bigger fan of incline DB press for chest, flat bench is over rated for many

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            • #7
              Seem like the taller guys always have trouble. Im a shorter guy and bench and squats are my strongest exercises. Always feel huge chest pumps after bench.

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              • #8
                Honestly, the major thing that built my chest was Dumbell presses, most of the inclined.

                Doing flat bench every once in a while has also done good for me, but usually i go with reps and not weight. Too much weight between 5-7reps gets my lats working. Lower weight higher reps hits my chest more.

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                • #9
                  When I do bench I feel pain on my left shoulder joint. Same goes when I do dips, I get nothing but pain. They work but I try to avoid it because I do not want to injure it.

                  I stick to decline (strongest), inclines, dumbell presses at any angle, and flys.

                  But I do see alot of people, especially friends doing bench.

                  I also entered a bench press contest on how many reps one can do with own bodyweight, big mistake for me. Joint was hurting.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rado
                    I know a lot of guys that don't do bench or squat...Bad back, bad shoulder, etc...Not un-common
                    which they got from benching and bad squatting....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stonecold54 View Post
                      which they got from benching and bad squatting....
                      :rofl:

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by THE BOUNCER View Post
                        i must be in the latter category myself. feel flat bench only in delts.
                        I feel flat bench mostly in my delts also.

                        What are your favorite chest exercises? Do you have long arms? I have always felt that my long ass arms were my bane of benching.

                        I have tried many variations on form, and I usually find that my delts will become fatigued long before my chest.

                        DB's work well for me most of the time.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Turbo3000 View Post
                          I feel flat bench mostly in my delts also.

                          What are your favorite chest exercises? Do you have long arms? I have always felt that my long ass arms were my bane of benching.

                          I have tried many variations on form, and I usually find that my delts will become fatigued long before my chest.

                          DB's work well for me most of the time.
                          i tell you once I stopped focusing on pressing movements I really came into better chest workouts....lets face it the purpose of the chest muscle is to bring the arm into the body. machine flyes, crossovers and flat bench flyes are my main stays with one slight incline pressing movement to finish off the chest part of my program...been happy with that. 60 pound DB flat bench flyes destroys my chest where 60 pound presses just pump it up.

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