Frequency of training

[goliath]

Originally posted by stonecold54
holy shit are you guys serious. I train every three to four days. So I will do legs on sunday, back, biceps and traps on thurs. and then chest shoulder and triceps on monday. that works out to about the same bodypart every other week or so. no wonder guys have a hard time gaining, way to frequent in your training. the fact that a specific muscle has recovered says nothing about your body as a whole recovering-two very different animals.

i train 7 days a week hitting each bodypart 7 days apart. i gain just fine this way.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by goliath
i train 7 days a week hitting each bodypart 7 days apart. i gain just fine this way.

but I dont want to just gain, I want to OPTIMALLY gain. I want to find the point where my body gets the most from the training, not just "some" from my training.

[goliath]

Originally posted by stonecold54
but I dont want to just gain, I want to OPTIMALLY gain. I want to find the point where my body gets the most from the training, not just "some" from my training.

for me, this is the "optimal" way to train. my workouts are short and very intense. my body still has PLENTY of time to recover. it is very rare that my workouts go over 30 min. by training every day i am able to really focus on just one muscle group at a time.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by goliath
for me, this is the "optimal" way to train. my workouts are short and very intense. my body still has PLENTY of time to recover. it is very rare that my workouts go over 30 min. by training every day i am able to really focus on just one muscle group at a time.

I am not trying to be a nag but you say your body has time to recover. that is not true. your body reacts as a whole to each individual session of exercise. your muscles themselves may be recovering to a certain degree inbetween your workouts but you metabolic functions and your endocrine system cannot recover effectively in 24 hours let alone 3-4 days for some people. How can the body be expected to build upon the muscle in has when it is constatly trying to catch up from daily workouts. our resources are finite-even if you ate all day and have exogenous hormomones running through you.

[goliath]

Originally posted by stonecold54
I am not trying to be a nag but you say your body has time to recover. that is not true. your body reacts as a whole to each individual session of exercise. your muscles themselves may be recovering to a certain degree inbetween your workouts but you metabolic functions and your endocrine system cannot recover effectively in 24 hours let alone 3-4 days for some people. How can the body be expected to build upon the muscle in has when it is constatly trying to catch up from daily workouts. our resources are finite-even if you ate all day and have exogenous hormomones running through you.

your argument would hold true if a person were to train for hours every day. but when it is for only 30-60 minutes your body doesn't take a large enough hit to 'fall behind' as you seem to be saying. we could debate this all day long...

[JACKAL]

Originally posted by goliath
your argument would hold true if a person were to train for hours every day. but when it is for only 30-60 minutes your body doesn't take a large enough hit to 'fall behind' as you seem to be saying. we could debate this all day long...

i agree with goliath. if the Once-every-three-to-four days method was the only true way to maximize muscle growth dont you think more pro BBers would be doing it?

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by goliath
your argument would hold true if a person were to train for hours every day. but when it is for only 30-60 minutes your body doesn't take a large enough hit to 'fall behind' as you seem to be saying. we could debate this all day long...

actually it is not true so we don't have to debate it. The Stress of Life by hans seyle is groundbreaking work that shows exactly what goes on in stressful situations (exercise included). he distuigishes between LAS (local adaptive syndrome) which would the stress model of the individual muscle and GAS (general adaptive syndrome) which would be the stress model of the body as a whole. it is an excellent book. it is available here http://www.exercisecertification.com/books/books.html

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by JACKAL
i agree with goliath. if the Once-every-three-to-four days method was the only true way to maximize muscle growth dont you think more pro BBers would be doing it?

Even though it is a false arguement to say that a premise is true or not true in a theory because a certain person does it or says it (argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to authority) there have been bodybuilders who have done it. but then again we all know that bodybuilders of the pro level, which I assume we are talking about, are genetic freaks who are on the far right-side of the bell curve and well outside the normal standard deviation curve. arthur jones trained many bodybuilders under this type of training, mike mentzer and sergio olivia being two of them. but that is a beauty of a theory, a theory doesn't need one person to believe in it to be true.

[goliath]

sorry bro...you lost all credibility with me when you said that the primary action of the biceps is supination of the forearm.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by goliath
sorry bro...you lost all credibility with me when you said that the primary action of the biceps is supination of the forearm.

I may have overstated that. the function of the bicep is equal for flexion and supination. but that is neither here nor there for this debate. :D

[JACKAL]

Originally posted by stonecold54
Even though it is a false arguement to say that a premise is true or not true in a theory because a certain person does it or says it (argumentum ad verecundiam or appeal to authority) there have been bodybuilders who have done it. but then again we all know that bodybuilders of the pro level, which I assume we are talking about, are genetic freaks who are on the far right-side of the bell curve and well outside the normal standard deviation curve. arthur jones trained many bodybuilders under this type of training, mike mentzer and sergio olivia being two of them. but that is a beauty of a theory, a theory doesn't need one person to believe in it to be true.

i stand corrected, but i still just cant see that training twice a week would cause more growth than 5 times. isnt that why it is so important to take in so many calories and protein? what does your diet consist of? if i ate like i do now and only worked out twice a week the only thing that would be growing is my waistline.