Winstrol

[got2bme]

I've been taking Winstrol for five weeks now. I started off at one a day for the first week, and I've been taking two for the past four weeks. All of a sudden, I'm breaking out. Would this happen after five weeks on it, or should it have happened sooner? My trainer is the one that put me on this, and I think he said it's 7mg pills, so that means i'm taking 14 a day. is this too much? My stats are: 25 yrs., 5, 6, 123 lbs., 11% body fat. I'm on a high protein diet. All I eat is chicken, tuna, veggies -- not very many carbs, maybe rice cakes or sweet potatoes. Any advice?

Also, I've contacted both the pharmacist and my OB to find out about the birth control with the Winstrol. The pharmacist says it DOES NOT affect it. my doctor says it's not a sure thing, be safe than sorry. What do you think? Help!

[candle25]

If they are 7mg pills then you are taking a bit much at 14/day. I don't have my profiles in front of me but I'm thinking that winny isn't a highly androgenic AAS. The break outs could be caused by a number of things. BTW, what type of birth controll are you taking?

[got2bme]

I'm on Tri-Norinyl 28. And I do agree with you, the break outs could be caused by something else. I just find it weird that five weeks into it, all of a sudden they are coming out. and they're coming out not only on my face, but my chest and back, as well, but my face is the worst of all.

My trainer told me to stop for about two weeks and see if it goes away so that we can make sure whether or not that's what's causing it. I'm trying to prepare for my first figure competition, which is in seven weeks. I'm afraid to stop taking it because I don't want to get that soft look that comes when you get off, but I don't know how much longer I can take the break outs. Do you think it's possible to maintain a toned, hard body with just a good diet, weight training and cardio? Keep in mind, I want to enter a show in seven weeks.

[redsquirrel]

AAS effects people in different ways. More than likely, the acne IS caused by the Winstrol. Just because it took 5 weeks to see these sides, does not mean it's not the cause. I personally HATED it when I did it, and it tends to make women break out, hold water, some virilization, and many exp bad post cycle rebound.m I can almost guarantee you will go soft post cycle. ESPECIALLY with Winstrol. Winstrol actually is a higher androgenic drug than say, Anavar.

If you are doing the Winstrol for a figure show, DO NOT COME OFF BEFORE THE SHOW. If you want to see how AAS can F*ck up someone's body, come off for two weeks and then go back on...dangerous; especially with Winstrol, AND your show... For some women, Winstrol can be a useful precontest drug. THe breakouts can be covered up; whereas fat cannot. And who knows- it may just be a jolt to your system. Isn't it possible they may subside somewhat? Acne is part of the game, my dear...as well as many other unwanted sides. If you didn't like the risks, you should have stayed on the straight and narrow.

As for your B/C, there is one way to look hard and toned without AAS. B/C is notorious for holding onto fat, which is the main reason I stopped taking it. It also makes you hold water.

[got2bme]

I've read a post somewhere within this site that men who suggest to women that they take this are thinking about the way it reacts to a man. And whoever said that, they're right. I can kick myself in the butt for not looking up on this stuff before I started taking it. My trainer had to idea the sides it had on woman. I'm NOT new to the whole gym thing. I've always been somewhat of a healthy eater and have been training for seven, eight years, just not as hard as I am now, especially trying to prepare for a show.

I AM new to the show thing, so please excuse me if I sound ignorant. I know there are woman who compete drug free, but how do these women do? do they win? And again, is it possible for me to still look good with weight training, cardio and a clean diet until the show comes? I know I'll have that whole soft look, but if I kick my butt in the gym and do what needs to be done, what do you think? PLEASE HELP ME!!!

[Breeze]

Never heard of 7mg winstrol- there are 2, 5, 10, 25, and 50 mg out there but 7 mg doesn't sound right

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by got2bme
I've read a post somewhere within this site that men who suggest to women that they take this are thinking about the way it reacts to a man. And whoever said that, they're right. I can kick myself in the butt for not looking up on this stuff before I started taking it. My trainer had to idea the sides it had on woman. I'm NOT new to the whole gym thing. I've always been somewhat of a healthy eater and have been training for seven, eight years, just not as hard as I am now, especially trying to prepare for a show.

I AM new to the show thing, so please excuse me if I sound ignorant. I know there are woman who compete drug free, but how do these women do? do they win? And again, is it possible for me to still look good with weight training, cardio and a clean diet until the show comes? I know I'll have that whole soft look, but if I kick my butt in the gym and do what needs to be done, what do you think? PLEASE HELP ME!!!

Well, at least you know now for the future to do research before trusting any man to tell you the effect off AAS on a woman. One of my girlfriends competed in a drug free show last year, and looked damn good....Oh yes- she was a bodybuilder. So, yes you can look good with proper diet and training. If you do want to compete drug free, your diet is going to be key. You have to make sure you are getting enough protein, low carbs, and enough healthy fats.

THe only drug that I suggest to help combat the "soft" look you are talking about is Nolvadex or Proviron. But again, fiugre isn't about being shredded. It's about having a V taper along with a firm, toned physique. I mean look at Monica Guerrera- last yr's Jr. Nat'l figure winner- she wasn't all hard looking. SHe had a nice tone and firmness about her. You only need to be 8-9% BF on stage, no less. And at the 11% you are at now, you should come in right in that range if you lose 1/2% of BF a week.

As I suggested before- if you want to be able to attain the harder look, you need to find some other form of BC than the Pill. And, are you coming off or staying on the winstrol?

[got2bme]

Actually, I haven't taken the Winstrol since last Friday, so it has been almost a week since I've been off. What other form of B/C are you talking about? You mean no medication, just protection?

Without getting into personal detail, I already have a 16 mo. old and am deathly afraid of getting pregnant again. I worked real hard to get my body looking better now than it has ever looked, even before I had my son, and I don't want to take any chances with that.

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by got2bme
Actually, I haven't taken the Winstrol since last Friday, so it has been almost a week since I've been off. What other form of B/C are you talking about? You mean no medication, just protection?

If you don't want to get pregant, than stay on the pill. Yes, I was talking about protection.

However, the fact that you got off the Winstrol a week ago, means you have 6 weeks to get into contest shape. At 11%, you should be fine, assuming quitting the Winstrol doesn't have adverse effects. When I finished my cycle of Winstrol, it took my body a good 8 weeks to go back to normal. Which could mean you're going to have to work extra hard to avoid the estrogen rebound. Maybe not. Maybe your body won't react the same way. Many women like Winstrol for pre-contest. I will not be using it for reasons mentioned above. I recommended you continue to take it through the show to avoid a rebound.

That is why I suggested the Proviron or Nolvadex. If you choose to do this show, I would recommend getting your hands on an anti-estrogen to avoid serious rebound effects. Many women use this in addition to AAS to get the hard look you are aspiring to get.:)

[redsquirrel]

One more thing- if you are that worried about the acne, go to the dermatoligist and get some Teteracyclene and/or a topical treatment to help keep the acne at bay. You still may have some acne, but it shouldn't be as bad.

[got2bme]

Redsquirrel,

I had my body fat percentage taken the other day, and I was at 9%. Everyone keeps telling me they think I'll do fine. I think I'm extremely hard on myself. The only place I'm still a little uncomfortable with is the place where every woman holds fat, and that's in my thighs. No one else seems to notice it but me.

What do you mean by estrogen rebound? what are the effects of it? The only thing I'm experiencing right now -- and I don't know if it's caused from getting of the Winstrol or just kicking my butt in the gym -- I'm so tired lately, extremely. My body is just worn down. I went to the OB yesterday for my yearly and I had them give me a preg. test, so I know that's not what it is.

What kind of diet do you recommend I do for these last couple of weeks? Usually, I'll eat 4 egg whites in the morning, Lunch, either chicken and veggs. or if i'm on the road, a protein shake. Snack, apple. Sometimes, I'll eat the apple with peanut butter if I'm feeling tired and I haven't taken in any carbs. Dinner, chicken, veggs. Snack, protein shake or apple with peanut butter. What do you suggest?

[redsquirrel]

Originally posted by got2bme
Redsquirrel,

I had my body fat percentage taken the other day, and I was at 9%. Everyone keeps telling me they think I'll do fine. I think I'm extremely hard on myself.

What do you mean by estrogen rebound? what are the effects of it? The only thing I'm experiencing right now -- and I don't know if it's caused from getting of the Winstrol or just kicking my butt in the gym -- I'm so tired lately, extremely.

What kind of diet do you recommend I do for these last couple of weeks? Usually, I'll eat 4 egg whites in the morning, Lunch, either chicken and veggs. or if i'm on the road, a protein shake. Snack, apple. Sometimes, I'll eat the apple with peanut butter if I'm feeling tired and I haven't taken in any carbs. Dinner, chicken, veggs. Snack, protein shake or apple with peanut butter. What do you suggest?

9% is fantastic. We are our own worst critics. You need a lot of positive reinforcement during these contests, so believe them when they tell you you look good. I'm sure you do.You WILL do well. In fact, you are still what, 6 weeks out? Women in figure should be NO LESS than 8%. So, just be careful, and make sure you get your BF done weekly, so as not to risk looking emaciated on stage.

Estrogen rebound is what happens when your body has to work to get back to its normal hormone levels. Which means your body has to work overtime and produce more estrogen than normal because it's been suppressed by AAS. Higher estrogen levels can make fat loss difficult and sometimes impossible. It can also cause water retention (Winstrol in particular) and acne. That is why many women take an anti-estrogen like Proviron to suppress the estrogen that makes it difficult to lose those last couple lbs. of fat. IT also is useful in giving you the "harder look".

For one, you're not eating enough protein. For two, you need to be eating more carbs. That's a major reason you're feeling so sluggish. I can't stress enough how important the healthy fats are when you are not eating carbs. If you aren't eating fats or carbs, then your body has no other choice but to burn muscle for energy. As for your diet, your BF is very close where it needs to be, so here's what I suggest for your diet:

M1: 5 egg whites, 1 whole egg
1/2 grapefruit
3 oz. chicken or turkey
1 fish oil cap
M2: Shake w/ strawberries, 1 tsp of flax oil
M3: 6oz. chicken, turkey or fish
2c. green veggies
1 fish oil cap
M4: Same as 2
M5: Same as 3
M6: 6 egg white omelet

On Monday and Thursday, replace your 6th meal with this:
6oz. sweet potato
1 med. banana
1/2c. oatmeal
1c. green veggies

Right now, @ 5'6", you have roughly 110 lbs.of LBM, and 11 lbs. fat. Honestly, I really think for your height, you don't need to lose more than a 1/2% BF up to the show. Any less, and I'm afraid you'll look too thin. And with figure, they want a nice, lean, but full look. BTW- what has your trainer been telling you?
:cool:

[got2bme]

Redsquirrel,

What has my trainer been telling me about what, my diet?

[got2bme]

I did see a dermatologist a few days ago. I didn't tell her what I was on. I got a pres. for Doxycycline and a topical gel with an over the counter face soap. In just three days, my face is pretty much back to normal, without taking the anti-biotic. I hate taking those things. the risk for preg. and one main side effect of anti that i always seem to get makes me rather stay sick or stay with whatever symptoms i'm having.

As far as my trainer and what he's telling me, if you're talking about my diet, he told me to eat, Morn., four egg whites, two peices turkey bacon, 1/2 oatmeal. snack, protein shake, veggs., lunch, chicken, tuna, veggs., snack, same as snack before, dinner, same as lunch. If i'm feeling sluggish, add a sweet potato in with dinner. and if i'm feeling tired throughout the day, i'll eat a rice cake.

My trainer has competed in body building contests -- and won. I know he knows what he's talking about, but he's already admitted to me that he's never worked with a girl before. He's been trying to get a girl to work with for a show for a long time. When I broke out with the Winstrol, he felt SOOO bad. My face never had a pimple on it, much less my chest or back. I've been going at it for six weeks now, and I've toned so much and my body is shifting here and there, so I guess whatever he's doing is working.