ECA stack question.

[Liftingchic]

Ok.. i am planning at the start of the New year to focus on getting the bf down instead of trying to bulk up(even though thats what i really want to do :( ) I am planning on doing it 3 weeks on Clen and 3 off with a ECA.(as SHOT told me too.. so he gets credit for it) .. my question is the ECA doesn't have the ephedra like Hydroxycut for example.. how much ephedra do i add to make it work?( i am planning on just using pure ephedra , that comes if i am not mistaken in 25 mcg or mg tabs, i will make sure tomorrow)..


I hope this isn't a reposted question..i did a search before.. and didn't the answer


LC


*edited. I forgot a word*

[trip]

This is a good question. Do not have 100% right answer yet can perhaps get you closer and others can chime in.

Most ECA products use MuaHuang for ephedra, if I remember correctly Hydroxycut dosing is like 4 pills gives you 336 mgs of mua huang, which when you consider mua juang is like 40% ephedra you get about 125 mgs of ephedra in a serving.

Then you also have too consider since it's not pure your probably lose a little bit of potency, say another 10 %, just a guess.

So that get's you close.

Have you done ECA products before?

Dosages and reactions have a wide range.

For example if I did 4 pills of hydroxcut 3 x's a day like reccomended, which I've done, I feel like I am on a bad bad speed trip.

So best is too just start out with a low dose, see how it goes for 3 days, which will give you very good read on your tolerance and then adjust from their.

The great benefit for must is major suppression of appetite and still plenty of energy, so most likely you'll be eating less so it's a plus to make sure you get enough protein.

Hoped That Helped
Good Luck

[trip]

Oh PS, reccomended maximum dosage of mua huang is like 1,000 mg per day. And maximum length of time is 12 weeks.

If that helps

[sana]

i'm not sure why you couldn't find it. it's in the women's diet and nutrition section and has been covered before.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...&threadid=2249

that's one on making your own ECA stack.

LC, i am going to say this bluntly - and i understand that SHOT has already recommended that you do a clen+ECA 3x3 run but before you do that, go have your thyroid levels checked. if you've been messing with the T3 as you say you have, you need to make sure you haven't shut down your thyroid function and become hypothyroid. if you have, regardless of the amount of dieting and cardio and other supplements you do, you will not be able to lose the weight you want.

secondly - an ECA stack stands for Ephedrine, Caffine, and Asprine. therefore, a premade "Ephedra Free" supplement like hydroxycut or trimspa is not an ECA stack. in addition, you should not try to take one of those pre-mixed supplements and mix it with pure Ephedrine HCL b/c when the companies that produce those pills took out the ephedra alkaloid groups that they get from herbal ma huang, they replaced it with things like synphedrine which is supposed to mimic the effects of ephedra. therefore, you - not knowing how you'll react to the synphedrine - will be adding another stimulant to the stack - which is unneccessary.

if you want to make your own stack - read the thread i posted above. 25mg E, 200mg C - and no A b/c it inhibits protein synthesis.

[Liftingchic]

yes i have used hydroxycut before without any problems.. the only things is the hydroxycut i just got is ephedra free.. so i have to add it.. and i wanted to use 25 mg tabs of pure ephedra ..


LC

[Liftingchic]

Sorry Sana..i swear i did a search for ECA.... sorry :(


thanks for the help..


LC

[SHOT]

Before you jump on that clen i would first sit down with someone who knows alot about dieting and figure out what you are doing wrong with your diet.

[Liftingchic]

Originally posted by sana

LC, i am going to say this bluntly - and i understand that SHOT has already recommended that you do a clen+ECA 3x3 run but before you do that, go have your thyroid levels checked. if you've been messing with the T3 as you say you have, you need to make sure you haven't shut down your thyroid function and become hypothyroid. if you have, regardless of the amount of dieting and cardio and other supplements you do, you will not be able to lose the weight you want.

I just wanted to let you guys know that i have been watching my thyroid very well..I always had it check before, half way through and the end of the two cycles i did with T3 in it.. everything is ok, so don't worry..i promise I watched it well.

LC

[Liftingchic]

Originally posted by SHOT
Before you jump on that clen i would first sit down with someone who knows alot about dieting and figure out what you are doing wrong with your diet.

I can understand that.. I had my trainer look over my diet at the like the middle of the contest on the board and it was really well put together.. but i had quite a few personal life problems and got of the track with the diet.. so i am sure if i get back on the track (which i am , start back on yesterday) it will be good.


LC

[SHOT]

Post ur diet...i would like to see what this trainer has you doing

also post your workout too.

[Liftingchic]

7:30 - 8 egg whites and 1/2 cup oats with 1 tbsp Flax
10~ 6 oz chicken and 1/2 potato and 1/2 c. veggies
12:30~6 oz chicken salad with 2 tbsp oil and vinegar
3~6 oz turkey/95%lean ground beef 1/2 brown rice and 1 tbsp flax
6~6 oz chicken 1/2 potato
6-? Train and 45 minutes cardio
9~8 egg whites and 1/2 c. veggies


ON non training days.
Meal 1: 6 egg whites and 1/2 c. oats and 1/2 banana
Meal 2: 4 oz chicken and 1/2 c. brown rice
Meal 3: can tuna and potato
Meal 4: 4 oz chicken and 1/2 .c rice
Meal 5: 6 egg whites and cup veggies with 2 tbsp butter!


Training:

Mon: Chest/Biceps/Abs
Tues: Back/Calves
Wed: Quads/Hams & Glutes/Abs
Thurs: Shoulders/Triceps
Friday: light back and ham/abs


I followed the diet for like 3 weeks and saw great result..but like i said some "personal things" happened in my life and my diet was the last thing i cared about at the time..


LC

[Liftingchic]

Some info on my trainer.. He has trained two bbers from my gym that i know of.. He was going to start help a figure chic at the same time we met.. and i think he may be help another guy too.. he knows his stuff and has been nothing but helpful to me.. *plus he is a member here :D *

[SHOT]

should have been more clear....i didnt want your split ....post what excerises u do and the how many sets and reps.

and ill return ur pm tonight...thanks

[Liftingchic]

Chest

Dumbell bench 3 set of 8
Incline dumbell bench 3 sets of 8
Decline bench on smith machine 2 sets of 8
Dumbell flies 4 sets of 12

Biceps

hammer curls 3 sets of 8
Ez bar curls 3 sets of 10 (preacher curls)
Cable curls 3 sets of 8
Dumbbell Concentration Curl 3 sets of 10


Abs

Rope crunches 3 sets of 20
Hanging crunches (on the other day) 3 sets of 10



Legs

Leg press 4 sets of 10
Box squats 4 sets of 8
Leg extensions 4 sets of 12
Lunges 3 sets of 10
Step ups 3 sets of 8

Lying leg curl 3 sets of 8
Seated leg curl 3 of 10

Seated hip Abbuction/Adbuction 3 sets of 10 of each


Shoulders

DB shoulder press 3 of 8
DB lateral flies 3 of 10
Barbell shrugs 3 of 6 (HEAVY)
Cable front raise 3 of 8 each side

Triceps
Rope pull downs 3 of 10
Kickback 3 of 10 each side
one hand cable pulldowns 3 of 8 on each side
Dips 3 of like 6

Back

Dumbell bend over rows 3 of 8
Deadlifts 4 sets of 6 (HEAVY AS HELL)
Cable seated row 3 of 8
front Pull down 3 of 10
rear pull down 3 of 10


Calves

Standing Calf raise 4 sets of 20
Seated calf raises 4 sets of 20
Sled(leg press machine thing) calf press. 4 sets of 20


I hope i didnt leave anything out :(

[SHOT]

Originally posted by Liftingchic
Chest

Dumbell bench 3 set of 8
Incline dumbell bench 3 sets of 8
Decline bench on smith machine 2 sets of 8
Dumbell flies 4 sets of 12

Biceps

hammer curls 3 sets of 8
Ez bar curls 3 sets of 10 (preacher curls)
Cable curls 3 sets of 8
Dumbbell Concentration Curl 3 sets of 10


Abs

Rope crunches 3 sets of 20
Hanging crunches (on the other day) 3 sets of 10



Legs

Leg press 4 sets of 10
Box squats 4 sets of 8
Leg extensions 4 sets of 12
Lunges 3 sets of 10
Step ups 3 sets of 8

Lying leg curl 3 sets of 8
Seated leg curl 3 of 10

Seated hip Abbuction/Adbuction 3 sets of 10 of each


Shoulders

DB shoulder press 3 of 8
DB lateral flies 3 of 10
Barbell shrugs 3 of 6 (HEAVY)
Cable front raise 3 of 8 each side

Triceps
Rope pull downs 3 of 10
Kickback 3 of 10 each side
one hand cable pulldowns 3 of 8 on each side
Dips 3 of like 6

Back

Dumbell bend over rows 3 of 8
Deadlifts 4 sets of 6 (HEAVY AS HELL)
Cable seated row 3 of 8
front Pull down 3 of 10
rear pull down 3 of 10


Calves

Standing Calf raise 4 sets of 20
Seated calf raises 4 sets of 20
Sled(leg press machine thing) calf press. 4 sets of 20


I hope i didnt leave anything out :(

I'll check it all out tomarrow when im not so tired.....but not sure why you are only keeping it 8-10 reps...i would go a alittle bit higher in the reps personly.....the excerises you are doing are fine tho...

like i said im really tired so ill check this tomarrow sometime.