New to gear

[vga35mm128]

hell yeah 145 lbs and gearing!!!!!!! I Know about proper diet and train like a madman!...... hey juice thanks for the input...i just felt that sust was a perfect combo of tests, could i use Testenat instead of test ethenate = (Testosterone propionate 20mg per vial Testosterone enanthate 80mg per vial) it is the closest i have available. and would i quit the dbols when i start the test???? making this a 14 week cycle? I am very interested and now im doin more research.......thanks juice........

[vga35mm128]

btw chemist my bodyfat% is pretty low, i guess between 10-20%. ......my lifting routine is just one i made up..... I usually start 10 less than my max and do 4 sets plus another "focal" set at the end, making it almost like doin 5 sets. Lets say i max curl 45lbs (dumbells). I would start at 35lbs dumbells (do set of 10) Go to 40 lbs (set of 10) Go to 45lbs (do as many as possible...sometimes 10, usually 7) then I go to 50lbs and max out. (just see how many i can do). (usually 3 or 4). Than i grab the 20lb dumbells immediately and do a very proper, focused, strong, fully clenched and slow set of 10. I Usually wait 2-3 minutes between sets, except for the last one, that is done immediately while im maxed out. I feel this mainly improves my strength endurance. I bet many people will find this routine flawed, but it makes me feel excellent! However, I would like some advice on bulking. I know some people only do 3 sets with max weight to "power-lift", but i like mine because i always figured the harder you train, the more you gain. ........sure to get people heated about this one.

[decadan]

Originally posted by JUICE
hey brother,


why not do a test/dbol cycle only. Thats a good choice for a first cycle. I would save the deca for the next cycle. Go with:


dbol: 35mgs every day for 4 weeks (jumpstart cycle)

test-e: 400-500mgs every week for 10 weeks.

And PCT after the last ijection, wait 2 weeks after last shot and do pct.

:agree:

[lestatgear]

Since sust is a combination of various lenghted esters resulting in a specific time released sequence of test into the system, I don't think you would need to inject the sust everyday. The combination of all the susts stays active in the system for up to 10 days. The whole idea is so that there is a continous release/supply of test from beginning to end. It's only my 2cc's, but I think that your plan of rotating sust and deca every three days and 30 mg d'bol/day is a good one. It's a hell of a 1st cycle and should yield some damn good gains. Good luck w/ whatever way you decide to go and keep us posted.

[vga35mm128]

lestagear, that was my original cycle! i had my heart set on it, but im getting mixed info here...i really want to do it!!!!!

[Skyefire]

suston does not need to be done eod. If you chart it out it is not that differnt then a single long ester. not the way WE use it at any rate. good articles here:
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/article...oid-esters.htm
http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/esters.html
from that last one I quote

Sustanon: The "king" of testosterone blends.
The four different testosterone esters in this product certainly look appealing to the consumer, there is no denying that. But for the athlete I think it is all just a matter of marketing (Hell, why buy one ester when you can get four?). In clinical situations I can see some strong uses for it. If you were undergoing testosterone replacement therapy for example, you would probably find Sustanon a much more comfortable option than testosterone enanthate. You would need to visit the doctor less frequently for an injection, and blood levels should be more steadily maintained between treatments. But for the bodybuilder who is injecting 4 ampules of Sustanon per week, there is no advantage over other testosterone products. In fact, the high price tag for Sustanon usually makes it a very poor buy in the face of cheaper testosterone enanthate/cypionate. Bodybuilders should probably stop looking at the four ester issue, and stick with totals (Sustanon is just a 250mg testosterone ampule). Were enanthate to be available for say $10 per amp of 250mg, and Sustanon priced nearly double that, buying the Sustanon would be like throwing money away. If you could get nearly double the milligram amount for the same price with enanthate, this is the better product to go with hands down. Leave the high priced stuff for the guys who don't know any better.

The above goes for using 2 amps a week as well. All esterfied drugs will peack right after injection, That is the nature of depots. And the surem blood leavels will taper off a similar rate. For our purposes sust can be used the same as eth or cyp.

[vga35mm128]

Skyefire- "http://www.elitefitness.com/articledata/esters.html" was an excellent read. Thanks!

[al the chemist]

vga i wonder what your true body fat % is, because i am also 5'7 and at about 12-13% of body fat, I weigh 175...

[vga35mm128]

hey, is there such a product that enhances the esters in your body an makes them last longer, work harder? maybe a way to keep em goin.....?

[Skyefire]

no, you just have to use a heavier ester if you want it to last longer. Esters only last seconds once they get into the blood stream. the half lifes of esters is the probablity of escaping into the blood from the depot. and longer is not always better

[vga35mm128]

Skyefire, you seem to be a chem whiz, maybe you can check out my post in the Chemistry Discussion Forum. Look for the thread started by me- "vga35mm128". It has nothin to do with our current discussion here, so check it out if u get a chance maybe you can help, or know someone who can. .... cuz that Chem Forum hardly gets any visitors......

[sana]

Re: New to gear

Originally posted by vga35mm128


i am open to any other cycle suggestions also, whatever is best for me!!!!

eat more protein.

[goliath]

you just need to eat and train, my friend. forget the gear...

145lbs? give me a break, bud - really.

[sana]

Originally posted by vga35mm128
btw chemist my bodyfat% is pretty low, i guess between 10-20%. ......

btw, 10-20% is a huge range. if you are 20% bf, you are NOT LEAN - especially for a man. if you don't know it, get it measured and at least have a clue before you consider gear.

[JuicedBeachBum]

Originally posted by vga35mm128
hell yeah 145 lbs and gearing!!!!!!! I Know about proper diet and train like a madman!...... hey juice thanks for the input...i just felt that sust was a perfect combo of tests, could i use Testenat instead of test ethenate = (Testosterone propionate 20mg per vial Testosterone enanthate 80mg per vial) it is the closest i have available. and would i quit the dbols when i start the test???? making this a 14 week cycle? I am very interested and now im doin more research.......thanks juice........

If you're only 145 you don't know about proper diet and training, unless you started training yesterday, either way you shouldn't be on gear.


With that said, I would say if you want to run a short cycle your better off with test Prop EOD and Winny ED.

If you do go with the test/deca/dbol run it like this
wk 1-8: test 500mg/wk
wk 1-8: deca 400mg/wk
wk 1-4: dbol 25mg/d

I agree with audiowaves to skip the sust, even if you don't shoot it EOD, it will create very unstable blood levels which leads to higher side affects (like acne). Also, the longest ester in sust takes a while to build up so you'll really need to run the cycle longer. Your best bet is to get a single ester test like enanthate, cypionate, or propionate.