Only Dbol (Thailand) - 1st cycle

[shortz]

Originally posted by Shibby
mixing compounds first time around is not safe either.

A classic dbol and test cycle is the most used cycle for first timers. I see no difference in safety using it on the first time or the second. As long as the person is well educated on the use of tamoxifen and takes the recommended doses, I see nothing wrong with it.

[Shibby]

Well how do you know what you need to do for certain side effects if you don't know where it's coming from. Maybe he won't have a problem, maybe he will. The point is why learn bad habits from the beging, espeacially when you could do some permanant damage.

[Stonecold54]

Re: Only Dbol (Thailand) - 1st cycle

Originally posted by LeanCut
Newbie -

Probably going to get ragged for this but you all seem to know so much. I've read all I could on Dbol but can't find what I'm looking for.

Ready for first cycle and, given it's the first, I want to take it easy.

I intend to only use Dbol from Thailand only 15mg a day, 10 in the morning with grapefruit juice and 5mg before bed. Will run for 7 weeks.

Not looking for huge gains at the moment. Looking to see how my body is going to react before diving in. Will focus on workout, diet and rest as much as the Dbol.

Are the amounts I intend to use to small? I know I will lose most of any gains, but once again. I want to see my bodies reaction.

If the amounts are too small...what's a good starting point to be as safe as possible.

Is it good to only do a Dbol cycle or should u always mix as I see so often on this board?

I weigh 165 lbs. 9% body fat. Well cut, but have some aches in joints etc.. Dbol seems it may help with that too during cycle.

Any guidance would be appreciated and I apologize in advance for this newbie's question if the answer is out there and I simply did not find it.

honestly I don't have a big problem with this cycle. some of the best bodies were built on dbol. He seems to understand the risks with a oral only cycle and he isn't doing a crazy amount. I will say with all honesty that I started my steroid career with dbol only and made awesome gains on it. if you eat clean train well do what you are suppose to then you will gain muscle. yes test is better but his post clearly explains what he is doing and what he expects, we are all our own scientists with our body and I don't have a problem with someone investigating like this. It might just be what he is looking for or it might not be and then he can move on from there.

[Stonecold54]

for those that responded with saftey issues, he is only taking 15mg per day for 7 weeks. in all honesty can we say that it will be that bad? I think oral toxicity is somewhat overated still.

[bigpetefox]

Originally posted by stonecold54
for those that responded with saftey issues, he is only taking 15mg per day for 7 weeks. in all honesty can we say that it will be that bad? I think oral toxicity is somewhat overated still.

You have a point, so I'll nominate yourself to send him a complimentary SM sportsbra to match those nice D-cups he might grow.. ;)

Forget Dbol, drink winny...

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by bigpetefox
You have a point, so I'll nominate yourself to send him a complimentary SM sportsbra to match those nice D-cups he might grow.. ;)

Forget Dbol, drink winny...

titties from 15mg a day? if he is that sensitive then he alread has gyno. :)

[LeanCut]

thanks for the feedback

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by LeanCut
thanks for the feedback

you do know what PCT and gyno are right?

[LeanCut]

Keep it coming....I need commdgnd

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by LeanCut
Keep it coming....I need commdgnd

??? whats "commdgnd"

[JUICE]

Originally posted by GearTripper
my suggestion:

1-10/12 weeks of TEST @ 400mg/wk (cyp or ent)

very true. A low dose of Test would be better than running 15mgs of dbol a day. Ive seen buds get good gains off of 400mgs of test a week.

Cause at 15 mgs a day for dbol is too low and a waste in 2 ways 1) money wise 2) not being able to keep gains.

If i were u bro, I'd use test at 400mgs like GT said and maybe add the dbol start at 25mgs a day for a week and see if u like the results and then increase to 30mgs a day for the rest of the weeks 2-4. Thats what Id recommend to a first timer.

Also, gotta have some Nolvadex or/and Clomid for Post Cycle Theapy(PCT). It is also very important not only for keeping ur gains and size but to make ur natural hormones work better and recover faster, or else ur gonna feel like crap for months, trust me, been there done that. (Its a nasty feeling, weak, feeling small, depressed cause gains went by fast), things like that.

If u need any more advice bro , feel free to ask bro, lots of good bros here that will help out. Thats why we are here to learn. Im no vet but i try to help in ways i can, experiences and all.:)

P.s run ur cycle like this and u will be happy



Test-e or Cyp: 400mgs a week for 10 weeks

Dbol: 1 week 25mgs a day, increase to 30mgs for weeks 2-4

Pct 2 weeks after last shot.

CLOMID
Day1: 300mg
Days 2-7: 100mg
Days 8-21: 50mg

[dabomb]

I dont think anyone has suggested this. But get some milk thistle from your local health store. Its liver detox, run it ed while taking orals. IMO

[Skyefire]

I think I am going to make this into a FAQ about oral only. I posted this over at massmonsterz in response to a guy that didn't want to get caught with needles. As for people that believe that you can't run dbol only without losing there gains I have yet to ever see anyone that did it correctly have that happen to them. Like so much other knowledge that has come to use it isn't the whole story.

actually dbol only can be ran effectivily. but no cycle is going to do what you want if your diet and training isn't on.

Actually if you run them correctly Dbol only is an OK cycle (not good, just ok)
http://www.anabolic-alchemy.com/sho...light=dbol+only

Posted this on SM http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbull...light=dbol+only

There are some effective oral only cycles but none are going to be as safe or effective as the ones above. Almost all gear without exception works better when combined with something else, which is exactly what you DON'T want to do with orals because of the liver toxicity issues. This severely limits what you can do with orals. A lot of people run Dbol and Var together or ramping one up and the other down, but again there is only so much you can take of it.

The only oral only cycle I like at all is a dbol only (talk to the hand). (Note: this works much better with test or Deca, preferable both and they are easy to take). For this to work you need a couple of things. First BE SURE YOUR READY TO USE GEAR. Second, YOU CAN'T SKIP THINGS JUST BECAUSE YOU’RE DOING AN ORAL ONLY CYCLE. This includes full PCT, anti E throughout the cycle and a clean high cal diet.

Example cycle (cheap version)
30 to 50mg Dbol ed depending on your tolerance weeks 1 - 6
Nolvadex 10mg ed 1 - 6 weeks
ldex .25 mg ed weeks 1 - 6 (I prefer Proviron 50mg ed but cost a lot more)
PCT is Nolvadex 40mg ed for 2 weeks then 20mg for 2 weeks or your prefernce

Please note that if you run the above your WILL NOT see the ledgonary Dbol gains. Most of those gains are estrogen meditated, i.e. water. If you run the above you aren't going to hold much water. You also will not lose the gains after the cycle, as the gains from this cycle will be real muscle.

Supplement to add while on this cycle
ALA
Milk Thistle
Policosanol
Potassium
Magnesium
Liv52

Please note that doing so little as adding test or deca to this would make it an exclent cycle.

If you just can't risk the needles then there are a few other things that can be added to this cycle to mke it much more effective. first is Andriol/androxon ie Testosterone Undecanoate can be added to this to make for the thestostorone compont. hard to find and doesn't work that well. Another option is fina pellets. They do have some oral avaliblity, someware around 25%. So to get 50mg ed you would need to take 200mg ed or 1 cart every 10 days. this one can get exspensive but works well and fina and dbol love each other. So you could do somehting like this

3 fina pellets 3x day +1 more at some point for weeks 1 - 6
10mg Dbol 3x day weeks 1 - 6
Nolvadex 10mg ed 1 - 6 weeks
ldex .25 mg ed weeks 1 - 6 (I prefer Proviron 50mg ed but cost a lot more)
PCT is Nolvadex 40mg ed for 2 weeks then 20mg for 2 weeks or your prefernce

[canadagold]

Originally posted by GearTripper
my suggestion:

1-10/12 weeks of TEST @ 400mg/wk (cyp or ent)

I have to agree with tripper here. . .
going with test only at 400mg/wkk of test or enanthate will do you great justice and save your liver . . .if you are concerned about the health aspect then do the test and leave the orals til you are ready to do a more serious cycle. . .
12 weeks of test will make you great gains with proper diet and training.
Do your research and get all your stuff together before you start. . .all the pct stuff as well.

[lxorl]

i ran dbol only my first go around ( i didnt know any better)

I went 50mg / ed for 8 weeks.... put on about 20 lb..... a lot of it was bloat. i didnt really get sides, but i think it paved the way for the gyno i got of my next cycle.

if your going to use it you need more than 15 a day.. that wont do shit besides waste your money.

I would get some test and anti - E and do it right...... make the cycle count... Dbol alone is not all that good of an idea...

Dbol + Test is a great first cycle.

be safe and use anti _E... trust me on this one.