anavar makes me mean

[spidey]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
First one is good, I like it. Second, corticosteroids are irrelevant to us, so that one proves nothing. The third backs up my argument a little more than it does your's And the 4th was done on monkeys, now Ive seen some hairy guys in the weight room but they arent monkeys, so that one is null. Good job though, Im impressed to a point, keep going.....

I'm really busy today so I'll just make a couple comments.

Corticosteroids are not irrelevant. My premise was that hormones (in general) affect mood. Corticosteroids are hormones.

The third one backs my argument up just fine. The exogenous T affected mood. I have said again and again I am not trying to make a direct link to aggressive behavior; only to mood. That extra aggression was not noted is beside the point. They did note statistically significant changes in mood (my premise).

Also, note that these mood changes are all but certainly dose related. The doses in any legitamite medical study are going to be much less than those seen in BB's. Just because they didn't see an increase in aggression with the dosage they studied (although they did see an increase in anger and hostility), doesn't mean they wouldn't see some added aggression if the tripled the dose (or more).

You seem to have more time for this than me. I am sort of under the gun right now at work. Do the PUBMED search on "hormones and mood". I just don't have the time to go through 2311 citations to find the ones that may interest you or prove my point. I got those four off the first page and a half of citations. I am positive there are hundreds more. As I said before, the evidence that hormone levels affect mood is WELL DOCUMENTED. After you do that search, search on "steroid and mood" and I am sure you will get a bunch more. There are mountains of evidence for this association.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by spidey
I'm really busy today so I'll just make a couple comments.

Same here, busy day for a Saturday....

Corticosteroids are not irrelevant. My premise was that hormones (in general) affect mood. Corticosteroids are hormones.

Right, but Ive never met anyone hoping to hypertrophy from corticosteroids.

The third one backs my argument up just fine. The exogenous T affected mood. I have said again and again I am not trying to make a direct link to aggressive behavior; only to mood.

I think we agree that exogenous testosterone effects mood. Im not sure it makes anyone angry or aggressive, that Im not convinced of.

You seem to have more time for this than me. I am sort of under the gun right now at work. Do the PUBMED search on "hormones and mood".

Hormones and mood is a bit too vague. Im not denying exogenous hormones effect mood, Im arguing theres no evidence it effects rationale or agressive behavior.

Still dont buy it.

[goliath]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
Still dont buy it.

no matter how well he backs up his argument, you never will.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by goliath
no matter how well he backs up his argument, you never will.

Great contribution, I wouldnt expect anything less.

[dbol]

Just reading all these posts is making me.........well Mean!

[spidey]

Originally posted by YellowJacket
[B]Same here, busy day for a Saturday....

[b]

Right, but Ive never met anyone hoping to hypertrophy from corticosteroids.

[b]

I think we agree that exogenous testosterone effects mood. Im not sure it makes anyone angry or aggressive, that Im not convinced of.






Hormones and mood is a bit too vague. Im not denying exogenous hormones effect mood, Im arguing theres no evidence it effects rationale or agressive behavior.

Still dont buy it.

I am tending to agree with Goliath here. There is nothing I can say or give you that will convince you of something you just refuse to aknowledge. You know the old saying: "You can lead a horse to water but .....". This whole debate reminds me of some I used to have with Nelson Montana. He was like talking to a brick wall too.

I am done here. I just don't have the time to argue over what I consider to be an obvious truth. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[YellowJacket]

Originally posted by spidey
I am tending to agree with Goliath here. There is nothing I can say or give you that will convince you of something you just refuse to aknowledge. You know the old saying: "You can lead a horse to water but .....". This whole debate reminds me of some I used to have with Nelson Montana. He was like talking to a brick wall too.

I am done here. I just don't have the time to argue over what I consider to be an obvious truth. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Ouch, I liked you until the Nelson Montana comparison.... that was below the belt.

What you see as the obvious truth may not be the obvious truth to others, ie. this situation. Apparently common knowledge isnt so common. I can agree to disagree as well..... good day.

[spidey]

LOL, sorry about the Nelson Montana comparison. That WAS below the belt. Maybe I'm raging from all that M4OHN I have been skarfing.

[Viral]

I wonder if extrenuous reading can cause aggresion.

On a side note, good info and debate here, kept it fairly civilized as well. As for what I believe, it doesn;t matter ;)

[vein69]

Its easy to be a smart ass when you hear "steroids make me mean!" "I hit my friend at a bar because of test!" all day long. There has been little or not evidence to give credit to any raised aggression with the use of anabollics, this is merely a myth protrayed by the media that people eat up. Its all in your head.... if youre an asshole, youre an asshole, dont use anabolics as a scapegoat.

I dont think he was using it as an excuse, he was pointing out that different people react differently to the compounds.

[go Yankees]

I stacked 1-AD and 4-AD once and noticed a much shorter fuse than I'd ever had before. Yeah, I did get into some anger-provoking situations, but...boy...I had a pretty short temper...definitely more fiery than anything I've ever had

[pockethercules]

I'll agree that it bothers me when people blame stuff on "roid rage". I Don't think it exist. Now if I am on Tren I am definitely irritable and short. I have never felt like going and beating the hell out of somebody because of it. Could you abuse steroids to the point that you became so irritable that you did something out of anger, sure! That is like aything in life when you over do it. No different than getting drunk and wrecking into somebody and then blamming it on alcohol!

[ROCKETW19]

to many studies of this and that i like real people sayin what happened to them! i personaly dont think i get mad when on gear, for me its just my mood from day to day.

[BBAddict]

I can't explain it, but regardless of what I am or am not on, I have an incredibly short fuse and have to stay far away from other humans for about an hour after I work out, assuming I have a good workout. I suspect it is the chemistry/hormonal changes in my body due to the exercise, but I know it is true without AAS, so I take the necessary precautions.