1st cycle coming soon...opinions

[rippedsucka]

Alright, fellas I've decided to journey to the dark side within the next 6-8 months and I've been working on my first cycle and would just like to see what you guys think. BTW, its going to be only an eight week cycle because, well, thats how long i want this first cycle to be. Now i know all this info is going to be jumbled but try and understand it and even lay it out in a simpler way if necessary.
STATS: 6'3
175lbs
5% bf
training for 5 years when cycle starts
20 yrs old

Weeks 1-8: Test enan 500mg
EQ 400mg
Weeks 2-9: HCG 500IU ( 250IU will be injected Mon. & Tues)
Weeks 1-9: Nolva 1cc daily

PCT:
Weeks 10-11: HCG 2000IU (Injected on Mon)
Weeks 12-13: HCG 1000IU (Injected on Mon)
Weeks 10-12: 200mg Nizoral (cortisol suppression)
Weeks 10-13: nolva ( 2cc wk 10, 1.5cc wk 11, 1cc daily after that)
Weeks 9 1/2- 12: clomid ( 2cc for the first 5 days and then 1cc daily after that)

*In weeks 10-12 the nizoral will be taken at 200mg on Mon. & Tues. , then 2 days off, then again 200mg on Fri. & Sat. , etc, etc

* In weeks 4 & 5 i had contemplated increasing the test to 1000mg and the EQ to 800mg, simply to recruit more receptors during this time and also not to have 8ml left over. Could i do this or is this a bad idea.

[notopher]

Just one question... Whats your diet going to be?

[Stonecold54]

you shouldn't need HCG with that cycle. just my opinion to save some money.

[notopher]

Your 175 at 6'3" so are you trying to get big? You better eat alot because you wont get a whole lot of gain in size if you dont.

[joe bigboy]

i agree with SC, i don't think there's any need for HCG in that cycle

[rippedsucka]

Yeah, i forgot to mention my diet and yeah i'm going to bulk on this cycle. I plan on getting at least 2g protein per lb and going to take in between 5-7 meals a day and around 5000 calories. so does the cycle look good other than the HCG? keep the opinions comin. thanks guys:)

[DiamondCutCows]

Take that HCG money and buy urself some more sauce. 8 weeks of EQ is pretty much pointless.
Why not:

Test 500mg wks 1-10
EQ 400mg wks 1-12
????????

[rippedsucka]

Anybody else agree with diamond's opinion? also, is 500mg a substancial amount?

[DiamondCutCows]

Originally posted by rippedsucka
Anybody else agree with diamond's opinion? also, is 500mg a substancial amount?

I agree with the wonderful Diamond! ;)

500mg is pretty much whats recommended to newbies nowadays. In years past it would have been thought to be a lot for a newb.

900mg a week is a GOOD amount for a 1st timer definitely.
I ran 500 test (10 weeks)+25mg dbol (30days) and gained about 20lbs when PCT was over and I was WAAAY heavier than you to begin with.

[rippedsucka]

Well, see bro i mean i know i don't weigh a lot for 6'3 and thats why i was asking b/c i was wondering if maybe i should start off with 400mg a week of test and 400mg EQ since i am so light? I have always heard you should stay with what works but since the test come in 250mg/ml it seems as though it would be difficult to divide the vial into that.

[DiamondCutCows]

I think 400mg would do you fine, but thats my opinion.

If u were concerned about dividing the dose just do a shot every 5 days of 1.25 mls for 10 weeks (70 days) would come out to like 440 mg a week. Your levels would be nice and stable too!

If u like 400 of each, I'd say:

Test and EQ mixed in one syringe q5days.
1.25cc of the test and the EQ depending on the concentration.
U'd wanna take about 285mg EQ q5days so if its 200mg/ml you would shoot between 1.25 and 1.5mls of the EQ

[Curls4dGirls]

Originally posted by rippedsucka
Anybody else agree with diamond's opinion? also, is 500mg a substancial amount?

Rule of thumb is to run EQ for at least 12 weeks. Here's a good read on why ... http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...light=halflife

If you want to stick to an 8 week cycle, I suggest running test only .... 500 mg Test-E / wk is a good number for a first cycle.

You asked about bumping the test to 1000 mg in weeks 4 & 5. You would see better results if you took the extra 1000 mg (500 mg extra per week X 2 weeks) and spread it out over the 8 week period ... so 600 mg Test-E per week for 8 weeks.

[Wolfhound]

I'll tell you what Ripped. My first cycle is going to be 400 mgs of test en. or cyp. for 10 or 12 weeks. I think I'll get good results with that for a first cycle, especially with around the same diet you're doing.


Oh yeah, what kind of training you going to do, high intensity or high volume?

[rippedsucka]

I'm going to train w/ high volume bro. also, curls i appreciate that advice on the EQ. if i want to keep the 8 week cycle could i drop the Eq and add dbol?

[Curls4dGirls]

Originally posted by rippedsucka
I'm going to train w/ high volume bro. also, curls i appreciate that advice on the EQ. if i want to keep the 8 week cycle could i drop the Eq and add dbol?

You could add dbol, but I wouldn't run it for more than 6 wks @ 40 mgs ed at the front of the cycle. You probably won't get the same effects from dbol as from EQ (hardness and vascularity), but it'll give a nice pop to your cycle and some unreal pumps.