Losing Weight on Cycle - Thoughts?

[Curls4dGirls]

I'm 6.5 weeks into this cycle:

1-3 prop 150 mgs eod
1-6 dbol 40 mgs ed
1-17 cyp 800 mg/week
1-16 eq 600mg/week
1-16 nand deca 200mg/week
1-19 Aroma 25 mg ed
1-19 hcg 250 twice / week


Started at 180 lbs. Jumped up to 195.5 lbs after 4 weeks and hovered around that weight for the last couple of weeks. Quit the dbol on Friday of last week. Since then, I have been slowly losing weight.

Weighed 193.4 this morning. I weigh myself at the same time every morning, diet has been on target, training impeccable and sleep has been consistent. Don't think I should be losing weight, but here are some scenarios.

1. Quick gain from the dbol mostly water and have lost water weight since coming off.

2. Have simply hit a plateau with my weight

3. Underdosed AAS. The cyp powder I converted kept crashing (see this thread http://www.superiormuscle.com/vbulle...t=cyp+crashing ), so the powder might not be pure.


Thoughts?

[Stonecold54]

I would say the dbol. Happened to me all the time when I used to take it. since you are on an anti-aromatase it probably isn't flucuations in estrogen water retention.

[Mr I]

Probably cause the d-bol is finished.

Also I think you need to ensure that as you gain muscular weight you increase your protien intake accordingly.

[ROCKETW19]

i would guess the d-bol also but thats just a guess.

[shortz]

You're getting bent out of shape because of 2lbs? You could fart and lose that weight. Don't worry about it. As long as strength is still up, you're not losing muscle.

[drgoodbody]

my weight fluctuates 2-3 lbs day-to-day depending on my water retention. Not a big issue, just make sure you are overtraining... Some guys think just because of the gear overtraining is not an issue - WRONG! Personally I keep my training schedule (days, sets, reps) same whether on or off - even tho I'm tempted to train more often when on.

DrG

[Curls4dGirls]

Originally posted by shortz
You're getting bent out of shape because of 2lbs? You could fart and lose that weight. Don't worry about it. As long as strength is still up, you're not losing muscle.

If you read my post, you'd have seen that I not getting bent out of shape over 2 lbs. Rather, I have not gained any weight in several weeks, and now it's starting to go in the opposite direction. My diet, water intake, sleep, and training are extremely consistent, so I was asking why I would have not made any gains in several weeks. I have not done this amount of gear before and thought I would be gaining consistently all the way through. But, like I said, I haven't done this amount of gear, so I wanted some opinions to see if a plateau was normal (isn't that the purpose of this board?) Also, my strength has plateaued.

[KingEgo]

ok i am not an expert but i've noticed couple things here, from the week one you loaded yourself with alot of test prop and cyp and dbol, after 3 weeks you drop prop, then gains stop on week 4 on a week 6 you drop dbol and start losing.it does not really matter if cyp crashed or not,or even if its fake. your body quickly adjusted to a certain amount of test , and when you started lowering dose your body started to respond by stopping gains and then losing weight. this whole cycle looks like a reverse pyramid without warm up. i would just stick with a plan and keep pumping even if weight will stay the same or even if you will be losing it. this way you will keep more muscles you gained already and also you can load with creatine if you need an extra water retention , but with cyp, deca and eq i doubt that you will need it.

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by KingEgo
ok i am not an expert but i've noticed couple things here, from the week one you loaded yourself with alot of test prop and cyp and dbol, after 3 weeks you drop prop, then gains stop on week 4 on a week 6 you drop dbol and start losing.it does not really matter if cyp crashed or not,or even if its fake. your body quickly adjusted to a certain amount of test , and when you started lowering dose your body started to respond by stopping gains and then losing weight. this whole cycle looks like a reverse pyramid without warm up. i would just stick with a plan and keep pumping even if weight will stay the same or even if you will be losing it. this way you will keep more muscles you gained already and also you can load with creatine if you need an extra water retention , but with cyp, deca and eq i doubt that you will need it.

I don't agree with the test statment. I used the same amount of test for well over a year and made gains the whole time.

Curls-what is your training schedule like? My guess is that if everything else is on point then your training is to blame. or overtraining to be more specific.

[Curls4dGirls]

Originally posted by stonecold54
I don't agree with the test statment. I used the same amount of test for well over a year and made gains the whole time.

Curls-what is your training schedule like? My guess is that if everything else is on point then your training is to blame. or overtraining to be more specific.

192.4 lbs this morning ... still on a downward trend.

My training is:

DAY1

EXERCISE SETS x REPS REST
Chest 4 x 4 – 6 2 min
Smith Machine Close Grip 4 x 6 – 8 2 min
Dumbbell Flies 2 x 8 2 min
Cable Cross Overs 2 x 8 2 min
Tri Push Downs 4 x 8 2 min
Weighted Dips 2 x 10 2 min


DAY 2

EXERCISE SETS x REPS REST
Squats 4 x 6 - 8 2 – 3 min
Leg Press 4 x 8 – 10 2 min
Ext. 2 x 8 2 min
Curls 2 x 8 2 min
Military Press (1 warm up set) 4 x 6 - 8 2 min
Front Raise 3 x 8 2 min
Lat Raise 3 x 8 2 min

DAY 3 – REST

DAY 4

EXERCISE SETS x REPS REST
Close Grip Bench 8 x 3 1 min
French Curls 4 x 8 2 min
Heavy Push Downs 3 x 8 2 min
Light Machine Flies 2 x 10 2 min
Light Cross Overs 2 x 10 2 min

DAY 5

EXERCISE SETS x REPS REST
Dead Lifts 4 x 5 – 7 2 min
Barbell Shrughs 3 – 4 x 5 – 8 2 min
Sitting Cable Rows 4 x 8 2 min
Pull Downs Overhand 2 x 8 2 min
Pull Downs Underhand 2 x 8 2 min
Standing Barbell Curls4dGirls 4 x 8 2 min
Sitting Dumbbell Curls4dGirls 4 x 8 2 min

DAY 6 – REST

DAY 7 – REST


I'm never in the gym longer than 50 minutes, and I've had success with this exact workout sked off cycle.

I appreciate all the comments.

[Stonecold54]

also I just noticed but 6 weeks is around the time that the body adjusts to the specific training stimulus that it has been hit with. You might think about changing things up. Which is why I follow my program like I do because it incoporates those changes automatically with the program as it evolves.

[drgoodbody]

Bro, I would be overtraining with your schedule. I only do 10 work sets per workout (not including warm up sets). You are doing:

Day 1 - 18 sets
Day 2 - 22 sets
Day 4 - 19 sets
Day 5 - 23 sets

Way, way, way too much volume in my opinion if you are pushing heavy weights (i.e. high intensity).

DrG

PS: For those that don't understand intensity, it is not perceived fatigue or exhaustion, the definition is intensity = % of your 1 rep max. So higher intensity training is training with weights that are closer to your maximum (not some vague bullshit about how heavy the weight feels or how hard you think you are working).

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by drgoodbody
Bro, I would be overtraining with your schedule. I only do 10 work sets per workout (not including warm up sets). You are doing:

Day 1 - 18 sets
Day 2 - 22 sets
Day 4 - 19 sets
Day 5 - 23 sets

Way, way, way too much volume in my opinion if you are pushing heavy weights (i.e. high intensity).

DrG

PS: For those that don't understand intensity, it is not perceived fatigue or exhaustion, the definition is intensity = % of your 1 rep max. So higher intensity training is training with weights that are closer to your maximum (not some vague bullshit about how heavy the weight feels or how hard you think you are working).

your definition of intensity is not correct. Pretend I have my max bench is 250. If I do a set at 220 for just 2 reps when 4 are possible is that more or less intense than if I do a set to momentary musclular and volitional failure at 190? By your def. the set that is stopped short of 2 reps is more intense because it is a higher %of the 1rep max.

[drgoodbody]

That is not my definition - the definition is from Poliquin and a number of other authors (e.g. Glass, DC, etc). The heavier set has greater intensity, but the caveat is that you go to failure - no stopping before failure on the concentric part of the lift. My fault for not being more precise - but then again it isn't my definition, I'm just passing it along.

DrG

[Stonecold54]

Originally posted by drgoodbody
That is not my definition - the definition is from Poliquin and a number of other authors (e.g. Glass, DC, etc). The heavier set has greater intensity, but the caveat is that you go to failure - no stopping before failure on the concentric part of the lift. My fault for not being more precise - but then again it isn't my definition, I'm just passing it along.

DrG

well I was just assuming you were accepting it as yours even though I know that it came from those others guys as I have read both sides.